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08-11-2019 01:09 AM
Kfxguy Put a cold case
radiator in today that I bought from gtog8ta today. Was very hot. Highest I saw with ac on was 201 with an average of 195-196.
07-19-2019 05:48 PM
BigBoysToy Thinking outside the box and cheap.
1.) Take hood off car, run it. Then look at temps, heat soak etc.
Share the temps with and without hood.
Lets keep it simple, cheap and not get our exercise by jumping to buy-buy etc
Lemme know the temps.
07-19-2019 05:39 PM
BigBoysToy Thinking outside the box and cheap.
1.) Take hood off car, run it. Then look at temps, heat soak etc.
Share the temps with and without hood.
Lets keep it simple, cheap and not get our exercise by jumping to buy-buy etc
Lemme know the temps.
07-13-2019 03:59 PM
Kfxguy
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Originally Posted by Nothubertjfarnsworth...View Post
i wasn't serious, lol.

Oh.



Lol
07-12-2019 08:37 AM
Nothubertjfarnsworth i wasn't serious, lol.
07-12-2019 05:46 AM
Kfxguy
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Originally Posted by Nothubertjfarnsworth...View Post
move to alaska. problem solved.


Well I always said when my grandma passed away (Iím all she had to help take care of her) that I was was gonna move out if this state. I just didnít think it was going to be so soon. I thought she had about another ten years left. Iím not ready to move yet, plus one of my kids is in college and has a serious girlfriend, I can uproot him like that. He canít afford to live on his own and go to school....I have to think about more than just myself.
07-11-2019 08:26 AM
Nothubertjfarnsworth move to alaska. problem solved.
07-11-2019 07:55 AM
Shrimp on the barbie Pack you pre intercooler charge tube with dry ice before your commute home. Build a small cage in front of your radiator and fill it with dry ice. Open your glove box and fill it with dry ice. LOOSEN YOUR BELT AND FILL YOUR PANTS WITH DRY ICE. EVERYTHING DRY ICE.

But on a serious note when I used to build pulling tractors we did the first two things I listed. Lowered IM temps and coolant temps dramatically. Best of luck!
07-10-2019 06:58 PM
Kfxguy Well I ended up ordering a cold case radiator. Guess I’ll see how much that helps. I may do spal fans with a custom sheet metal shroud also. One thing at a time tho. I want to document differences so it may help someone later on.
07-10-2019 01:10 PM
05silgto
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Originally Posted by Kfxguy...View Post
I took it out today. Hot. Very hot, almost 100 degrees today. The highest coolant temp I saw was 207 and the highest trans temp was 180. I’m getting there. I think if I just put an aluminum radiator in it, I’ll get the coolant in the 190’s which is what I want.

Well, I finished installing the full aluminum radiator. It fit pretty nicely, I did lose a bit more clearance but nothing crazy. Since the radiator is larger you aren't able to put the a/c radiator back into the radiator clips to help secure it, because there is not enough clearance between them. I heard from others with the stock fan shroud that you have to slightly trim the shroud to make it fit. Also I heard the transmission cooler has different size fittings than the stock fittings so you need an adapter for that.

I haven't noticed much difference in temps. yet. I didn't have a problem with overheating before and I don't really notice when my fans turn on so its hard to tell if it made any difference yet.
Even though this radiator is bigger it seems like it holds the same or slightly less coolant than my stock radiator cause that one didn't have a transmission cooler.

Your best bet would probably be to either make your own fan shroud out of sheet metal and then mount some large spal fans or buy the pro-charger fan shroud.
https://shop.brutespeed.com/ATI-MF00...MF007A-009.htm
Before when my car was a work in progress and after I added the spal fans, when my coolant temps were 210 and the fans kicked on I would see the coolant temp drop to 190 within a few seconds.

Or If you wanted to use this as a opportunity to gain some hp, reliability and keep your temps down you could get a flex fuel sensor and switch to e-85 since e-85 cools 3 times better than gas by volume. You'll gain <50hp with timing and a smoother ride. Only issue is the cost of upgrading your entire fuel system.
07-07-2019 06:34 PM
Kfxguy I took it out today. Hot. Very hot, almost 100 degrees today. The highest coolant temp I saw was 207 and the highest trans temp was 180. I’m getting there. I think if I just put an aluminum radiator in it, I’ll get the coolant in the 190’s which is what I want.
07-07-2019 06:33 PM
Kfxguy
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Originally Posted by 05silgto...View Post
That's good to hear, makes me want to add a fan to my intercooler. I checked out your build thread and I really like your setup. Makes me almost want to switch to turbos but I don't want to loose my long tubes. I'm curious what the hp numbers are, did you ever dyno it?
I will be installing my aluminum radiator after the weekend. I'll let you know if I notice any difference in temps, that is if I'm able to get it to fit with fabrication as it is a little larger than stock.
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Big A** fan in the way.
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It comes with a trans cooler so I would like to put it to use. I really would like to use it as a fuel cooler cause after an hour of driving, my external fuel pumps get noticeably louder but I doubt e-85 would do well with aluminum. Maybe i'll trim a piece of one of the brackets in a unnoticeable area to test in e85. I would also have to largen the hole to 3/8 too or else the return will get backed up.
Attachment 493511

I was wrong about my trans temp. Btw. I'm using the aeroforce scan guages and trans temp. Is always the same as ambient temp. So the scanner must be pulling that data from the wrong sensor. Looks like the t56 might not even come with a stock temp. sensor lol.



I never had it dynoed. Itís still a work in progress. Iím probably doing all this backwards but Iíll try to explain.
First I got the car cleaned up after I bought it. Then I started doing go fast stuff to it. I put a stereo in it (part of what I had for it anyways). Then I went to the track. I was pretty disappointed with a 12.1 at 113mph. Even though I didnít have full length headers yet. Then I lined up with a turbo v6 firebird. It ran 11.5 @ 120mph. I said I gotta have that. So I decided at that point Iím was going to turbo it. Took a few months but I half ass got it done. I say half ass because I was running the stock fuel pump, no intercooler and a thrown together exhaust. But I was able to drive it. I donít like my car being down. Soon as I could I added the fuel pump. Then just improvements and changes along the way. I added a intercooler shortly after getting it running because my iatís were very high. I rushed my crossover pipe so I had to redo it because it kept leaking and breaking clamps and flex sections. When I went to the track, it went [email protected] with a broken v band and a big exhaust leak. I fixed it a few days later. Boost didnít drop and made a couple extra lbs. Iíve since upped the boost even more and built a 3.5Ē downpipe. I have still yet to redo the exhaust. But you see how Iím just doing things in stages instead of having the car down, I like to drive it too much.
07-03-2019 10:41 PM
05silgto
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Originally Posted by Kfxguy...View Post
Ok my fellas. Gots more info for you. I said I would update as I change things. I’m pecking away at it just to see what each difference is. I think maybe once I get it all lined out where I want my temps, then I’ll compile everything in the first post to help anyone that is searching for answers. I mentioned I added a bigger trans cooler. At night my temps would see 200+ before the cooler. After the cooler, I saw about 180-185. I now added a 7” fan to the cooler. Riding around. Sitting in a parking lot and letting it idle with the ac on, I saw 156f. So I went made a few full throttle hits, running it up to third gear. Highest I could get it was 163-164. The fan made a significant difference. It also worked out that it pulls some air through my intercooler so the temps on my iat is more controlled. Win win. I’m going to add one fan directly to the intercooler. That should help in traffic. I’m really considering a aluminum radiator. O my coolant temps never really got over 190 with the ac on and idling. Maybe cooling the trans fluid doesn’t add more heat to the radiator.

That's good to hear, makes me want to add a fan to my intercooler. I checked out your build thread and I really like your setup. Makes me almost want to switch to turbos but I don't want to loose my long tubes. I'm curious what the hp numbers are, did you ever dyno it?
I will be installing my aluminum radiator after the weekend. I'll let you know if I notice any difference in temps, that is if I'm able to get it to fit with fabrication as it is a little larger than stock.
Attachment 493503
Attachment 493505
Big A** fan in the way.
Attachment 493507
Attachment 493509
It comes with a trans cooler so I would like to put it to use. I really would like to use it as a fuel cooler cause after an hour of driving, my external fuel pumps get noticeably louder but I doubt e-85 would do well with aluminum. Maybe i'll trim a piece of one of the brackets in a unnoticeable area to test in e85. I would also have to largen the hole to 3/8 too or else the return will get backed up.
Attachment 493511

I was wrong about my trans temp. Btw. I'm using the aeroforce scan guages and trans temp. Is always the same as ambient temp. So the scanner must be pulling that data from the wrong sensor. Looks like the t56 might not even come with a stock temp. sensor lol.
07-03-2019 09:30 PM
Kfxguy Ok my fellas. Gots more info for you. I said I would update as I change things. I’m pecking away at it just to see what each difference is. I think maybe once I get it all lined out where I want my temps, then I’ll compile everything in the first post to help anyone that is searching for answers. I mentioned I added a bigger trans cooler. At night my temps would see 200+ before the cooler. After the cooler, I saw about 180-185. I now added a 7” fan to the cooler. Riding around. Sitting in a parking lot and letting it idle with the ac on, I saw 156f. So I went made a few full throttle hits, running it up to third gear. Highest I could get it was 163-164. The fan made a significant difference. It also worked out that it pulls some air through my intercooler so the temps on my iat is more controlled. Win win. I’m going to add one fan directly to the intercooler. That should help in traffic. I’m really considering a aluminum radiator. O my coolant temps never really got over 190 with the ac on and idling. Maybe cooling the trans fluid doesn’t add more heat to the radiator.
07-02-2019 04:08 PM
05silgto
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Originally Posted by Kfxguy...View Post
In one of his tests he used two engines, one a control and the other one with product and water. wasnt motorkote tho. Engine with only water lasted about 30 minutes, half as long as the engine with motorkote and water. you'd have to have watched all his videos to catch that.

Got it. But these tests he's doing still only prove that water does not wash off the motorkote and that water with motorkote provides better protection than just water. I don't know about you but I'm not planning on running water in my engine instead of oil. A proper test for our purpose would be an engine with just oil and then have a engine with motorkote and oil.
Doesn't really prove if motorkote improves wear when mixed with oil.

I would be interested in this product if I could find more definitive proof of its effectiveness along with long term use, etc. There is a gto with 1246whp on youtube that gets 30+mpg or 20+mpg on e-85. They have coated pistons which improve the efficiency.
I would imagine if the motorkote worked, then it would have a similar effect.
Also since the motorkote bonds to the rotating assembly, I wonder if it would provide extra protection under low oil pressure in hard corning. Our oil pans are flawed which is one of the reasons why our rod bolts are a weakness.
http://swaintech.com/swain-tech-coat...p-and-mileage/

Let us know if your gas mileage improves.
07-02-2019 09:52 AM
Kfxguy
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Originally Posted by 05silgto...View Post
I might have exaggerated a bit cause I just checked my trans. temp and it is the same as ambient, 93F. I paid close attention to it the last few days of driving and the highest I ever saw it reach was 101F. What temps. do most m6 owners see typically?

I've seen quite a few of his videos before and enjoy watching a lot of his stuff. This test just didn't seem to prove anything In terms of using this stuff in our engines. He didn't do a test with engine oil in the first test do see if the motorkote provided better protection than the engine. If it didn't then I doubt the motorkote would provide better protection than engine oil. He also never did a test with water in the engine before adding motorkote for a control test or any comparisons test with engine oil and motorkote vs engine oil. He is usually very in depth with his videos but the only thing he proved with this experiment is that motorkote is resistant to water and that it provides better protection than wd-40.

I would really check out that aftermarket radiator though if your still interested in upgrading. Based on the reviews it sounds like a quality part for cheap. Plus it seems like a lot of people have issues with the plastic cracking on the stock radiators, they don't seem to last long.

In one of his tests he used two engines, one a control and the other one with product and water. wasnt motorkote tho. Engine with only water lasted about 30 minutes, half as long as the engine with motorkote and water. you'd have to have watched all his videos to catch that.
07-01-2019 01:27 PM
05silgto
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Originally Posted by Kfxguy...View Post
I have a 4l60. Your trans stays below ambient temp? Does that even sound possible in your mind? Of course the sensor Is not right. Maybe it’s in Celsius? I mean it’s connected to a hot engine, so there’s no way the trans is that cool.

That guy is not sponsored for sure. Watch some more of his videos and you’ll understand.

My fluid doesn’t need flushing, it’s new.

I might have exaggerated a bit cause I just checked my trans. temp and it is the same as ambient, 93F. I paid close attention to it the last few days of driving and the highest I ever saw it reach was 101F. What temps. do most m6 owners see typically?

I've seen quite a few of his videos before and enjoy watching a lot of his stuff. This test just didn't seem to prove anything In terms of using this stuff in our engines. He didn't do a test with engine oil in the first test do see if the motorkote provided better protection for the engine. He also never did a test with water in the engine before adding motorkote for a control test or any comparisons test with engine oil and motorkote vs engine oil. He is usually very in depth with his videos but the only thing he proved with this experiment is that motorkote is resistant to water and that it provides better protection than wd-40.

I would really check out that aftermarket radiator though if your still interested in upgrading. Based on the reviews it sounds like a quality part for cheap. Plus it seems like a lot of people have issues with the plastic cracking on the stock radiators, they don't seem to last long.
07-01-2019 06:29 AM
Kfxguy
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Originally Posted by Nothubertjfarnsworth...View Post
maybe he forgot the one.

true.
07-01-2019 04:28 AM
MuhThugga
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Originally Posted by Kfxguy...View Post
What about cylinder heads. All the bull stories youíd hear about needing small ports for tq and o donít go to big on the heads because youíll lose power. Then the LS1 came out and trounced those stupid ideas. I could on and on.

The LS1 came out with a completely different port design altogether, though. The engineers didn't simply take a SBC port, enlargen it by 25%, and call it a day.
06-30-2019 01:57 PM
Nothubertjfarnsworth maybe he forgot the one.
06-30-2019 07:18 AM
DangerNoodle
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Originally Posted by 05silgto...View Post
What transmission are you running? I live around the houston area and my trans. temperature typically sits around 87F with a m6 unless there is something wrong with my sensor cause now that I think about it 87f sounds to good to be true in 95 degree weather.
If you have a m6 do you top of the tranny oil every oil change like the manual calls for? If you have a automatic I would suggest flushing all the fluid just in case.



Unless you have an aftermarket cooler system hooked up and working overtime, there isn't a CHANCE that your m6 is operating at 87ļF.

Maybe its Celsius.
87ļC = 188ļF
That's more reasonable.
180ļF is the ideal operating temp
If it is reaching 250ļF+ that's atf break down temp. = no bueno
06-29-2019 04:23 PM
Kfxguy
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Originally Posted by 05silgto...View Post
What transmission are you running? I live around the houston area and my trans. temperature typically sits around 87F with a m6 unless there is something wrong with my sensor cause now that I think about it 87f sounds to good to be true in 95 degree weather.
If you have a m6 do you top of the tranny oil every oil change like the manual calls for? If you have a automatic I would suggest flushing all the fluid just in case.

As for the radiator I found a cheap all aluminium that cost about 150$ on amazon. I just purchased it today. My stock radiator just developed a small leak at the plastic seam. The radiator does require some trimming to the stock fan shroud as it seems due to being larger than the stock unit, however I have a procharger with the aftermarker fan shroud and extra large fans so I already have no clearance.
I contacted the seller and you can get a full refund with free shipping back if it doesn't fit.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XKPV6DF...v_ov_lig_dp_it

As for the motorkote I don't think that video necessary proves anything. I find it somewhat fishy why he didn't use straight up motor oil on the first test before adding the motorkote. Also there is no control group which every scientific test should have.
Also your valve train making less noise could be associated with the fresh engine oil you put in vs the older used oil you removed.
I'm not saying the product doesn't work but just that video shows no proof of it and I'm sure the guy is getting paid by motorkote to sponsor the product on his channel.
If this product does in fact reduce friction in our motors then it would also improve the efficiency and thus improve our gas mileage so I would use that as a indicator to watch for any improvement.

As for the soft water, I'm not sure how far I would look into that article. For one they are trying to sell a product and they don't provide much info on how distilled water will "eventually" destroy metal. Keep in mind "eventually" could mean 300 years. I guarantee the plastic on your radiator will crack before the distilled water ever destroys your radiator.
Also I believe the article is assuming you have just water in your radiator. Antifreeze contains lots of solutes in order to decrease the freezing point. I'm sure it contains ions that helps reduce the reaction.


I have a 4l60. Your trans stays below ambient temp? Does that even sound possible in your mind? Of course the sensor Is not right. Maybe it’s in Celsius? I mean it’s connected to a hot engine, so there’s no way the trans is that cool.

That guy is not sponsored for sure. Watch some more of his videos and you’ll understand.

My fluid doesn’t need flushing, it’s new.
06-27-2019 08:18 PM
05silgto
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kfxguy...View Post
Update. After changing the oil I did not noticed any real temp changes. But my Caltrain and engine are definitely much quieter than usual. Coincidence? Maybe. Is it in my head? I really don’t think so because I normally can hear a good bit of Caltrain under my carbort and even more with the hood open. Noticed today while changing the trans cooler that it’s quieter

I ended up putting a Hayden 679 trans cooler in. It’s about twice the size of the junk one I had. I went rode around this evening. Weather is 83f super humid. Weather app says feels like 93. After several 1-2-3 and 2-3 pulls on various boost levels (was doing some tuning) the trans temp stayed around 183-183. Before it would easily hit 205-210 with less spirited driving. I even went in walgreens and left my son in the car and let it idle with the ac on just to make sure it’s sll nice and heated. It’s hot and nasty tonight. I did not like my coolant temps however. It’s 195 at cruise and I say 205-208 after beating on it. Think I’m gonna have to end up moving the cooler, changing the radiator or putting some better fans. At least I got trans temps under control but I think that’s adding to my coolant temps. We shall see during the day. I’m figuring I’ll have at least 10 degrees higher trans temps. At cruise it stayed around 172. 180-185 at cruise during the heat of the day, I can live with. I left room for a 6”- or 7” fan on the cooler. May try that next and see what I get. Here’s the cooler mounted.



What transmission are you running? I live around the houston area and my trans. temperature typically sits around 87F with a m6 unless there is something wrong with my sensor cause now that I think about it 87f sounds to good to be true in 95 degree weather.
If you have a m6 do you top of the tranny oil every oil change like the manual calls for? If you have a automatic I would suggest flushing all the fluid just in case.

As for the radiator I found a cheap all aluminium that cost about 150$ on amazon. I just purchased it today. My stock radiator just developed a small leak at the plastic seam. The radiator does require some trimming to the stock fan shroud as it seems due to being larger than the stock unit, however I have a procharger with the aftermarker fan shroud and extra large fans so I already have no clearance.
I contacted the seller and you can get a full refund with free shipping back if it doesn't fit.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XKPV6DF...v_ov_lig_dp_it

As for the motorkote I don't think that video necessary proves anything. I find it somewhat fishy why he didn't use straight up motor oil on the first test before adding the motorkote. Also there is no control group which every scientific test should have.
Also your valve train making less noise could be associated with the fresh engine oil you put in vs the older used oil you removed.
I'm not saying the product doesn't work but just that video shows no proof of it and I'm sure the guy is getting paid by motorkote to sponsor the product on his channel.
If this product does in fact reduce friction in our motors then it would also improve the efficiency and thus improve our gas mileage so I would use that as a indicator to watch for any improvement.

As for the soft water, I'm not sure how far I would look into that article. For one they are trying to sell a product and they don't provide much info on how distilled water will "eventually" destroy metal. Keep in mind "eventually" could mean 300 years. I guarantee the plastic on your radiator will crack before the distilled water ever destroys your radiator.
Also I believe the article is assuming you have just water in your radiator. Antifreeze contains lots of solutes in order to decrease the freezing point. I'm sure it contains ions that helps reduce the reaction.
06-24-2019 08:25 PM
Kfxguy
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Originally Posted by Audacious Nick...View Post
You don't buy into distilled water? This is why I make fun of you, because of comments like this.

Well what Iíd like to know is, have you actually tested this? Or are you following along like a sheep because you read it? Iíve used it both ways, saw no difference. As much as I mess with my car, I flush the cooling system from time to time, I donít seem to get build up. Or corrosion. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and itís just than until itís proven otherwise. Not just popular belief. Hey remember years ago when people believed that smaller headers make more tq. That back pressure was needed. That backpressure made tq. Blah blah blah. I didnít buy into that crap either. And whadduya know. They running 1 7/8 headers on little 6 liter motors now and sometimes 5.7ís and not losing bottom end. What about cylinder heads. All the bull stories youíd hear about needing small ports for tq and o donít go to big on the heads because youíll lose power. Then the LS1 came out and trounced those stupid ideas. I could on and on.

Hereís a good read for you. For some reason this company says do not use distilled water in your cooling system. I know I know. They are stupid and you are smarter(ass). Lol. Had too.

https://www.hyperlube.com/blog/blog/...ooling-system/
06-24-2019 06:54 PM
Glynn
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Originally Posted by Vemon...View Post
Man..you are so cool.

He does have a point, though.

If you're troubleshooting, cross the t's and dot the i's first.
06-24-2019 05:42 PM
Vemon
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Originally Posted by Audacious Nick...View Post
You don't buy into distilled water? This is why I make fun of you, because of comments like this.

Man..you are so cool.
06-24-2019 03:30 PM
Audacious Nick You don't buy into distilled water? This is why I make fun of you, because of comments like this.
06-23-2019 07:38 PM
Kfxguy Update. After changing the oil I did not noticed any real temp changes. But my Valve train and engine are definitely much quieter than usual. Coincidence? Maybe. Is it in my head? I really don’t think so because I normally can hear a good bit of Valve train under my carport and even more with the hood open. Noticed today while changing the trans cooler that it’s quieter

I ended up putting a Hayden 679 trans cooler in. It’s about twice the size of the junk one I had. I went rode around this evening. Weather is 83f super humid. Weather app says feels like 93. After several 1-2-3 and 2-3 pulls on various boost levels (was doing some tuning) the trans temp stayed around 183-183. Before it would easily hit 205-210 with less spirited driving. I even went in walgreens and left my son in the car and let it idle with the ac on just to make sure it’s sll nice and heated. It’s hot and nasty tonight. I did not like my coolant temps however. It’s 195 at cruise and I say 205-208 after beating on it. Think I’m gonna have to end up moving the cooler, changing the radiator or putting some better fans. At least I got trans temps under control but I think that’s adding to my coolant temps. We shall see during the day. I’m figuring I’ll have at least 10 degrees higher trans temps. At cruise it stayed around 172. 180-185 at cruise during the heat of the day, I can live with. I left room for a 6”- or 7” fan on the cooler. May try that next and see what I get. Here’s the cooler mounted.


06-20-2019 09:12 PM
Nothubertjfarnsworth
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Originally Posted by Kfxguy...View Post
Man I donít like additives but this is pretty convincing. Independent test. This dude is the real deal. Iím not convinced of anything very easily.


https://youtu.be/88vwUwa3igQ




Tonight I changed my oil. And I added that additive. Iíll have temp info tomorrow, I donít expect much of any, but Iím keeping track regardless. I will tell you this, my engine is much much quieter. My valvetrain noise is nonexistent. I never remember my engine being this quiet or smooth. I took my 15 year to to go pick up his friend tonight. He asked me why the car sounded quieter. I thought it was in my head till he asked me that. Believe me or not, no matter. I donít believe in snake oil. Slick 50, z max etc is all crap and snake oil to me. But when you watch this guys videos, you will understand why Iím convinced.

that video doesn't really convince me of anything.

why don't you do a before and after test of the oil, with an without that additive? send them to blackstone labs or something.
06-20-2019 08:55 PM
Nothubertjfarnsworth
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Originally Posted by LS3goatee...View Post
And don't add anything to the oil, just run proper oil. I just went down the rabbit hole of HT/HS viscosity ratings, wear tests etc., and additives in oil lowered its performance in most tests.

https://540ratblog.wordpress.com/201...-test-ranking/

try that rabbit hole.
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