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Old 12-30-2008, 12:33 PM   #1
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How To: Fogs with High Beams

Well, I searched this today and found the information after some digging, so I figured I'd publish a formal how-to since the information was somewhat vague. I credit "goat6505" for the original post that inspired this mod.

I would like to add that I did this mod purely for shits and giggles. No - there is no real need to run your fog lights with your high beams. This mod is purely for people who want to waste time and energy personalizing their car.


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- I take no responsibility for any unforeseen, although very improbable, damages that this could cause. Do this mod at your own risk. Also, this mod is technically illegal, but as long as you drive properly (IE - Not high beaming people everywhere you go) there is theoretically no way a cop would see it. (Nor care for that matter)

Lastly, I apologize for the pictures, I took them with my blackberry as my digital camera is not currently available.

Alrighty, without further adieu:

Step 1
Pop the hood. Locate the underhood fuse box shown in the picture.



Step 2
Remove the fuse box cover by pressing the tab and lifting.

Step 3
Remove the relay shown in the picture by grabbing it and wiggling it out. Remove the Relay to it's immediate left if you need more room to grasp it. Also note that I am missing my DRL Relay, disregard this.



Step 4
Flip the relay over, you can either bend Terminal #1 over (Top left tab in the picture, like I did), or cut it off. I prefer to bend it so I can return it someday if I'd like to.



Step 5
Re-install the relay. Also, re-install the neighboring relay if you also removed it.

Step 6
Double check to make sure everything is correct.

Step 7
Turn the car on, then turn on low beams and fog lights. Check to make sure they work. Now, turn on the high beams, check to make sure the fog lights are still on.

Note: The fog light indicator on the dash will reflect the new behavior of the fog lights.

Step 8
Drink a beer and pat yourself on the back while over glorifying your new mod.
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Old 12-30-2008, 01:17 PM   #2
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Good write up but just out of curiosity, why?
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I'm obsessive compulsive and I see no logical reason why the fogs should shut off under those conditions anyhow.
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I'm obsessive compulsive and I see no logical reason why the fogs should shut off under those conditions anyhow.

only logic I can see is since the fog lights are made for fog and point lower on the ground. Where high beams are aimed higher and would make it harder to see in the fog. I think this is also why you can have fog lights on with just the parking lights
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I see no logical reason why the fogs should shut off under those conditions anyhow.

, great write-up!
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I would have never guessed it was that simple! Great write up, and I'm thinking I'll do step 8 before step 1!
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I would have never guessed it was that simple! Great write up, and I'm thinking I'll do step 8 before step 1!

Thanks, just trying to do my part for the community

I wish we had a forum specific for How-To threads like on the Cobaltss.net boards.
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Thanks alot man!! I just installed HIDs and try do do this mod but I cut the wrong pin on the relay So I ride to advance to get one 13 bucks!!! Smurf
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Thanks alot man!! I just installed HIDs and try do do this mod but I cut the wrong pin on the relay So I ride to advance to get one 13 bucks!!! Smurf

lol nice.

Always test and double check before doing something permanant
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Very neat! Just did it in a minute.

If I just bent it up and around the side of the plastic like you did, am I risking starting an electrical fire? I dont know much about auto electricity.
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Very neat! Just did it in a minute.

If I just bent it up and around the side of the plastic like you did, am I risking starting an electrical fire? I dont know much about auto electricity.

As long as it doesnt touch anything else metal.

I worried about this too - but I didn't see anything that it could touch, so I left it be.
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Ok. You just bent it to the side and up against the plastic?
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any chance of overloading a wire or wire harness?

I haven't looked at the wiring, but I would think it's highly unlikely. The fog lamps only use a few amps.

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Ok. You just bent it to the side and up against the plastic?

Correct.
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any chance of overloading a wire or wire harness?

IF anything blows, its going to be a fuse. That's what it's there for
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Nice thread. My method was much more detailed. It included disassembling the light switch. I noticed my method when I was changing out the bulbs in that switch. It also allows the fogs to be on with nothing else on.

Thanks for the other way to skin this cat! Your way is much easier!
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Wow I like this alot. I always get pissed at myself when i have my lows and fogs on and i give a "courtesy flash" to let someone pull out, because its not good for HIDs to be turned on and off quick.

This brings up a new question though: Is it worth it / should I buy HID high beams now? I would completely own the road
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Wow I like this alot. I always get pissed at myself when i have my lows and fogs on and i give a "courtesy flash" to let someone pull out, because its not good for HIDs to be turned on and off quick.

This brings up a new question though: Is it worth it / should I buy HID high beams now? I would completely own the road

yeah, I hate not being able to flash people to warn them of the po-po up ahead.

I have wondered about getting HIDs for my Highs too! LOL. There was a mod a while back for my 01 Chevy Silverado where you could run Highs and Lows together... I wonder what it would be like with the Fogs too!!!
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I have wondered about getting HIDs for my Highs too! LOL. There was a mod a while back for my 01 Chevy Silverado where you could run Highs and Lows together... I wonder what it would be like with the Fogs too!!!

This I would be interested in.
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This I would be interested in.

I think the options for the silverado was as follows:

1.) Off
2.) Lows Only
3.) Lows and Highs

If it wasnt like that, then this was it:

1.) Off
2.) Lows Only
3.) Highs Only
4.) Switch to turn them both on

This was almost 7yrs ago so I cant quite remember. There has got to be a way to do it on the GTO .....
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I did this a while back. Its nice cuz the hids don't have to re-fire every time you pass a car. 6 lights FTW!!
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I for one have the logic that if I am turning on my high beams then I want all the light I can get. I have had this mod done to my car for over 2 years now and so far so good.

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yeah, I hate not being able to flash people to warn them of the po-po up ahead.

I have wondered about getting HIDs for my Highs too! LOL. There was a mod a while back for my 01 Chevy Silverado where you could run Highs and Lows together... I wonder what it would be like with the Fogs too!!!

I have had the high beam relay on my 93 GMC since the late 90's for use in the woods and havent had any issues out of that setup either.

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I think the options for the silverado was as follows:

1.) Off
2.) Lows Only
3.) Lows and Highs

If it wasnt like that, then this was it:

1.) Off
2.) Lows Only
3.) Highs Only
4.) Switch to turn them both on

This was almost 7yrs ago so I cant quite remember. There has got to be a way to do it on the GTO .....

GTO setup allows:
fogs only
lows only
lows & fogs
highs, lows & fogs

93 GMC simply keeps lows on when highs are engaged.
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Thanks for the write up man. I may have to do this also. For those not cutting the pin, it may be worth while to put some electrical tape over the bent tab to prevent any shorting out. There may not be an issue there, but for those worried that may work.
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Just a thought here, but for those who want to run lows, highs, and fogs, why not just use a relay triggered from the high beam +, or -, and run that output to your lows. now, you can do:
Fogs only,
Lows only,
Lows+fogs,
Lows+Highs,
Lows+Highs+Fogs

and if your wanting to still be able to turn the lows off w/ the high beams on, just run a toggle out to the ground side of your relay.
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Just a thought here, but for those who want to run lows, highs, and fogs, why not just use a relay triggered from the high beam +, or -, and run that output to your lows. now, you can do:
Fogs only,
Lows only,
Lows+fogs,
Lows+Highs,
Lows+Highs+Fogs

and if your wanting to still be able to turn the lows off w/ the high beams on, just run a toggle out to the ground side of your relay.

The lows stay on when the highs are on from the factory. There is a fog light cancellation relay for when the highs are turned on. Bending that tab is what allows the fogs to stay on. If you wanted to turn the lows off you would have to add a relay to cut the power to them when the highs are turned on.
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