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Old 01-27-2011, 02:31 PM   #1
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Water Softener... Scam? Useful?

When I moved into my home 2 years ago I noticed this contraption taking up valuable space in my garage. This year, while cleaning stuff I found the invoice for the Rainsoft water softener... $5000.00. Seirously, the original owner of this house paid 5K for this thing.

I finally decided that I should call them up and maybe have it serviced. They pulled up the account and said it hasn't been touched since 1999. (All valves are in bypass mode) The guy came out today and told me that since it hasn't been used in a decade the resin is most assuredly mildewed and using this thing would most likely be not wise.

Of course what followed was his pitch for a new system. 50% off only $2890.00. That doesn't include future services, salt, added water use (for internal flushing of the system) and other hidden costs.

So what do you guys think? Texas has some hard water, not doubt, but is a water softener system worth the cash?
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There was on in my house before I moved in, previous owner took it with him. The water is very hard here, so im most likely going to put another one in. If you have really hard water and dont like taking showers/baths with it then yes it is worth it.
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I've heard of people out in the boonies using a water softner system, but I believe all your water comes out of Lake Travis correct (assuming you live in Austin)? If that's the case, I don't think there's a problem with it. Now if you live in Houston, I wouldn't drink, shower, or even shit in that water. But that's probably bc I think everything to do with Houston is a cesspool and can't stand Houston (no offense Houstonians).
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Not sure I would even know the joy of taking a shower with soft water. I've lived in Austin/Waco/Houston my whole life.
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Seriously though, why the smurf does the water in Texas smell like Grass/Lake?
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Little known fact... there is arguably only one(1) natural lake in Texas. All of the ones we have now have been built.
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Sounds a bit steep if you ask me but then again I do all my own work. If the system is all hooked up and you do just want to replace it and all the connections are there see if you can just get another softener for like $400-700 from like lowes or home depot and replace it yourself. If everything is bypassed around the softener the lines up to the softener should be fine cause of constantly running water through them so it should be just the softener if you don't trust it. As for scam I don't know. but thats just my
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Not sure I would even know the joy of taking a shower with soft water. I've lived in Austin/Waco/Houston my whole life.

its quite nice. as of late my water has been getting even more hard. a few months ago the water faucet/shower head started to get a lot of mineral deposit on it when the water was dry. Ive also noticed that the water can make you feel a little itchy sometimes really is annoying. the water tastes like crap too unless you let the line run for a minute or two before drinking it. I filter all my water usually anyway though. Im in the far side of round rock (couple miles from hutto) so im not sure where my water really comes from.
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Well all I know is I am scared to drink the water in DFW because it smells like the like back at camp. I miss the fluoride treated goodness of NYC tap water.
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It was quite a shock when I took the first shower in Houston after moving from Finland. Water is really soft back there.
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Depends on the quality of your water. It sure as hell wont hurt. Upkeep isn't expensive, salt is cheap.

My well water has a terrible sulfur smell, and I have two carbon filters in line for that. I also have a commercial water softener after the filters. It is absolutely necessary as the groundwater here isn't the best.
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So...I shouldn't drink from the tap then?
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That price sounds really steep. I bought a water softener with separate brine and resin tanks when I lived in upstate NY (about 5 years ago) for about $375. Plumbing the system up is simple, especially since you already have one in place. If you've got any iron in your water, throw a little citric acid powder in with each bag of salt. The citric acid will prevent the iron from fouling the resin in the softener.
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The water softeners you buy at Home Depot/ Lowes will do just as good of a job as that 5000 rain soft. the salt is cheap, and when it flushes it really doesnt use that much water. Salt is cheap as hell too.

some of the advantages you will notice with a water softener are less hard water spots/calcium deposits/ iron deposits/ etc. on your dishes, shower, sinks, and toilet. The one thing i dont really care for with a water softener is when you are first getting used to it, when you take a shower you will feel "slimy". that is because you are actually washing ALL the soap off your body. hard water doesnt get all the soap off and thats what gives you that dry feel ( i guess is the best way to describe it).
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We have a Rainsoft water softner. I love it. There no water spots on my dishes after they are washed, the shower water is so much better, our clothes look better, & you can def tell the difference in the water we drink too. I won't live in a house that doesn't have a water softner for very long. My sister went to school in Waco & that has to be the nastiest water I've ever seen. It was like bathing in dirt when you took a shower. Even the resturants ice cube were nasty tasting..
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So...I shouldn't drink from the tap then?

Actually, tap water is better for you than any bottled water.
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Old 01-27-2011, 08:20 PM   #17
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Actually, tap water is better for you than any bottled water.

not all tap waters are created equally. I've heard horror stories about tainted well water.
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That is definitely very expensive for a water softener... my brother in law has a nice one from Lowes that works great. His water in Dickinson is very hard also and it knocked the PPMs way down. That makes it better for showers etc... but not much better for actually drinking. The only water I will drink is either bottled or through a reverse osmosis system... preferably a decent one not a cheap POS.


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That's crazy money for a rainsoft system in a pre-plumbed house! I paid $3k for a top quality (ie: not rainsoft) system which includes Fleck 5600 valves, 2cu ft of resin, brine tank, separate carbon tank, 2 metal bypasses, and a remote install which required the guy to dig a 200ft trench by hand and lay 1" pipe both ways! I didn't want the system taking up space in my garage, so I had it installed at the back of my poperty behind an out-building.

Before having anyone do anything with a water softner though, you should have your water tested. The water quality is what determines the size and type of system you need. ie: how many grains of hardness, what's the chlorine level, etc ... I'm on Chisolm Trail water and have 18g of hardness out here with quite a bit of chlorine, which is one of the reasons I went with the system I choose.

Here's a bit of research I did when I was looking for a system: http://forum.doityourself.com/archiv.../t-387035.html

I ended up using a guy named Tommy Dorsey for the puchase and install, and had a good experience with him.

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Dallas has the nastiest water. Seems like NO matter WHAT you do it tastes like dirt...

Beaumont water just tastes like marshlands... o.O
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My sis works for a company here in Houston that sells/installs/services rainsoft systems, new you are usually looking at 3-5 grand depending on the size and what not, so that price for a whole new system is not too bad. However call around, I seem to remember that the rain soft resin cores have a lifetime warranty, but they may be voided because its just been sitting, it doesn't hurt to ask! For info call Quality water systems down here in houston. don't tell them where you are just tell them what model you have and ask if they are warranted.
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Thanks for the tips on water softeners form Home Depot/Lowes. They look much more reasonable.
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I was one of the idiots that dropped 5K on a Rainsoft.. Yes it works well, but not any better than a Lowes/Home Depot system will. My next system will be a Whirlpool from Lowes with a House filter system. Good product? Yes, worth the money.... Up to you.
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First of all, I must say with certainty that the water softener is indeed useful. Secondly, I donít think itís worth it for the water softener for $5,000. It doesnít need to spend that much money. Especially now there are a lot of good water softeners on the Internet, you can get one at around $500.
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Holy cow! Welcome back from the dead thread! Welcome to the forum, dodo. There is a lot of good information about the cars in addition to water softeners.
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First of all, I must say with certainty that the water softener is indeed useful. Secondly, I donít think itís worth it for the water softener for $5,000. It doesnít need to spend that much money. Especially now there are a lot of good water softeners on the Internet, you can get one at around $500.

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Holy cow! Welcome back from the dead thread! Welcome to the forum, dodo. There is a lot of good information about the cars in addition to water softeners.

LMAO! Not making fun of you at all but I find it Hilarious that your first post on LS1GTO is on Water Softeners! jajajaj. Welcome.
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We had a water softener growing up. My current city has ordinances banning them (something about it adding salinity to the drinking water). I never knew water spots were such a major issue until we moved here. We're talking you need straight up vinegar to get them off, and even then it takes some serious work. We have to squeegee the shower every use to avoid them.

In summary, I'm a firm believer in water softeners.
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