after pondering a ton and asking around here,it just seems tome that even on a bone stock system,the bullets will be to loud and glass pack sounding for my liking.i just dont want my 2005 33,000 dollar car to sound like a country ass pick up truck. hopefully i am not making the wrong decision, as i have not actually heard these in person. wish i could. the boy racer sounding car isnt for me at 32 years old. i guess i should just do headers with the rest of the system stock. chime in if you think i am over thinking it.