[BLACKLIST]

To add..

Just got back from eating at bw3 with my wife. On the way back

"did you do something to this, it feels way different; Its not all jerky anymore"

thats a WIN imo..

 

[goatryder08]

Well, i know ed is an extremely smart guy and knows his stuff just as much if not more than anyone on this board, but i got 2 things:

1) I guess there is some shit that you just cant explain it just "happens" The only way to prove "Vmax's theory" would be to run smoke through the intake while on the car with a camera inside the intake to see what the airflow is actually doing right there. And i dont think that is ever going to happen.

and 2) Everytime i see VMAX it reminds me of that dreadful disgusting "Magic engine tune-up in a bottle formula" that i see on TV all the time. It should be a crime to market that snake oil.

 

[Mike Norris]

Hey All,

Since my name was brought up here, and I do not mind that, I figured I would chime in.

I do not have any technical info to add as I am not any kind of airflow dynamics specialist. I leave that to the experts such as Pete and his testing and then I just test his results. Working with Pete for the past 10 years I have gained a certain amount of trust for sure.

Pete is more then willing to talk to folks, but I can also tell you he will not give out everything as this is a piece that took a lot of development. We also know that folks will try to copy or better it, if possible, and that is part of life these days.

I also know Ed and he is a good guy and just wants to know why. I am too old these days to worry about why and as long as it works I am good with it. especially for the $50 pricing area.

I am sure quite a bit more data and info will come from customers such as BLACKLIST as time moves along.

Hope this helps.

Mike Norris

 

[Steel Chicken]

$50 aint bad. People have paid far more for add-ons that dont do anything. Still, us GTO owners are an unusual bunch. For most of us, WHY is more important than the what. Also we tend to be a little cynical when it comes to snake oil auto parts.

As far as reverse engineering, you guys have already provided more than enough info for someone to make a competing product (its not like its a super complicated part), so explaining the actual technical reason isn't going to make any difference.

 

[DREV LSX]

To add..

Just got back from eating at bw3 with my wife. On the way back

"did you do something to this, it feels way different; Its not all jerky anymore"

thats a WIN imo..

Thats awesome brother!!! We are very pleased that we were able to help. There are others out there cause they have been inquiring about the velocity ring. Thanks Blacklist Pete and us.

 

[Konnie the Goat]

thats what iim pondering. If its not the tune, and its not a mechanical or electrical fault, the car shouldnt be smurfing up. But we have a fix.

anybody else think too small a TB for the manifold is a mechanical fault? Its a grey area.

Is $50 unreasonable? no.

Is adding this part the real fix? No.

Sweet Jebus people.

 

[DREV LSX]

anybody else think too small a TB for the manifold is a mechanical fault? Its a grey area.

Is $50 unreasonable? no.

Is adding this part the real fix? No.

Sweet Jebus people.

It may be for those that don't wanna drop $500-600 for a 102mm TB. Most guys dont wanna spend another big chunk of change after dropping $900.00 for an intake manifold. It works for those running it in their cars.

 

[SLIM JIM]

To me this whole thread just ended the second you tried to peddle your magic velocity ring to us. Go sell your turbonators elsewhere.

LMFAO!!! ^^^ it's just snake oil. that ring looks like one of jamesbiz hub ring, and i would not doubt it;

 

[lapapita]

get real. who could believe this nonsense.it sounds like big horsepower from fuel additive. what a joke. get lost con artist.

 

[Konnie the Goat]

It may be for those that don't wanna drop $500-600 for a 102mm TB. Most guys dont wanna spend another big chunk of change after dropping $900.00 for an intake manifold. It works for those running it in their cars.

well, those morons are idiots anyway. but kudos to you for finding a way to profit off stupid. it is the american way. Seriously. no sarcasm.

 

[LSPerformance]

Ok gentlemen, any of you out there with a FAST 102mm LSXR intake manifold suffering from any driveability issues? Such as off idle throttle response, stumbling/hesitation off idle or when rolling into the throttle, or stepping on it hard? A momentary lag or drop when flooring it? If you have any of these symptoms please chime in and let me know. A few guys we know are having similiar issues. All cars aforementioned have been properly tuned but their owners are reporting issues that they didn't have before. Anyone else having these issues????

This applies to those who have a FAST 102mm LSXR Intake manifold running a 90 or 92mm Throttle body!!!![/B]

I have a LS1 going together with a FAST 102/90mm TB that will be run from 2500 to 6500 rpm, I don't forsee any issues?

 

[DREV LSX]

Well apparently there are issues because Mike Norris and I are selling them and the customers that have have issues are being cleared up with the Velocity ring. Check out what Carlos from Vette-Air Intake Systems had to say about the velocity ring in his Vette. No snake oil here Slim Jim, just facts.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-...-do-you-have-a-102mm-fast-intake-and-a-90mm-tb-new-item-available-inside-2.html

 

[Konnie the Goat]

yeah, there is an issue. stupid and/or cheap people that dont want to buy the right sized TB for the manifold.

just because your solution works doesnt make it the right fix. Thats what you are being clowned for.

 

[BLACKLIST]

yeah, there is an issue. stupid and/or cheap people that dont want to buy the right sized TB for the manifold.

just because your solution works doesnt make it the right fix. Thats what you are being clowned for.

why are you being such a dickhead in dudes thread?

People are buying his product and are happy with it. Whats the big deal?


Your argument is dog shit also. If they wanted you to only run the 102 tb, they would have designed the manifold NOT to work with the stock throttle body. Why does the manifold advertise as working with a stock 90mm ls2 throttle body?

You dont need 102tb for stock cubes/non force inducted cars. The 92 is not even made anymore. Why not keep making the 92 for stock cube cars, and make the 102 for bigger cubes? Because the 102 is designed to be used on stock cube cars as well. Theres no need for that big donkey dick throttlebody. I made perfectly great numbers, which i wont even elaborate on since this website is just a giant locker room of dildos wanting to argue for attention with each other like a gang of twinks.

I noticed night and day improvement with adding the ring. Im not aphiliated with this guy either, i dont even know him beyond buying this ring off him. I didnt get any discounts, i dont work with his kid,bla bla bla, yet i still will agree his ring improved my cars drivability night and day. Cant people design new things and get credit anymore?

Whats this cheap ass business about also? Just because someone wont buy a throttle body they dont really even need, they are now a cheap ass? I could buy 19 of those smurfing things with chump change dresser drawer money and use them for christmas tree ornaments. Whats the point? id rather use that 500 dollars on a pair of tires or some shit i will use. I dont need to impress someone telling them "i bought the whole setup". Its just about what works and what does not work.


I havent even checked this thread in a while. This site seriously sucks ass though and needs extensive moderation,everyones a smurfin engineer, whether its a mechanical engineer or a custodial engineer pretending to be a mechanical engineer, all everyone does is argue with each other. Like 75% of the negative responses are from people with entirely unrelated parts lists. If you dont have a stock throttle body with the 102 intake and are not experiencing problems, i have no idea why you would even continue to argue here. There are industry renown tuners and builders already using this and agree it works. Besides, its smurfing 50 dollars. Thats what a pack of tee shirts and socks at foot locker cost. Why is it even a debate?

Sigh, who gives a smurf what some highschool landscaper thinks anyhow.

sorry for the rant drev lsx dude. (shaking head)

If anyone who is actually thinking about this ring has any questions, fell free to contact me. Im not on here often, so be patient.

 

[eleven011]

why are you being such a dickhead in dudes thread?

People are buying his product and are happy with it. Whats the big deal?


Your argument is dog shit also. If they wanted you to only run the 102 tb, they would have designed the manifold NOT to work with the stock throttle body. Why does the manifold advertise as working with a stock 90mm ls2 throttle body?

You dont need 102tb for stock cubes/non force inducted cars. The 92 is not even made anymore. Why not keep making the 92 for stock cube cars, and make the 102 for bigger cubes? Because the 102 is designed to be used on stock cube cars as well. Theres no need for that big donkey dick throttlebody. I made perfectly great numbers, which i wont even elaborate on since this website is just a giant locker room of dildos wanting to argue for attention with each other like a gang of twinks.

I noticed night and day improvement with adding the ring. Im not aphiliated with this guy either, i dont even know him beyond buying this ring off him. I didnt get any discounts, i dont work with his kid,bla bla bla, yet i still will agree his ring improved my cars drivability night and day. Cant people design new things and get credit anymore?

Whats this cheap ass business about also? Just because someone wont buy a throttle body they dont really even need, they are now a cheap ass? I could buy 19 of those smurfing things with chump change dresser drawer money and use them for christmas tree ornaments. Whats the point? id rather use that 500 dollars on a pair of tires or some shit i will use. I dont need to impress someone telling them "i bought the whole setup". Its just about what works and what does not work.


I havent even checked this thread in a while. This site seriously sucks ass though and needs extensive moderation,everyones a smurfin engineer, whether its a mechanical engineer or a custodial engineer pretending to be a mechanical engineer, all everyone does is argue with each other. Like 75% of the negative responses are from people with entirely unrelated parts lists. If you dont have a stock throttle body with the 102 intake and are not experiencing problems, i have no idea why you would even continue to argue here. There are industry renown tuners and builders already using this and agree it works. Besides, its smurfing 50 dollars. Thats what a pack of tee shirts and socks at foot locker cost. Why is it even a debate?

Sigh, who gives a smurf what some highschool landscaper thinks anyhow.

sorry for the rant drev lsx dude. (shaking head)

If anyone who is actually thinking about this ring has any questions, fell free to contact me. Im not on here often, so be patient.

Well said Blacklist, I've actually told (Johnny) Drev not to even bother debating this any further on this forum. This use to be a excellent forum to share information, now everything is just a bash fest. People in the business know this item works as an inexpensive solution much like drag bags which many opted to use.
Drev attempted to share information, backed it up with all the information he had and further included contact info for the professionals who tested the crap out of this part after extensive man hours. Nothing to debate, its understood they aren't interested.

 

[Konnie the Goat]

mainly because its only common sense that leaving the the kind of gap that this 'velocity ring' or what ever fills might just cause enough turbulence, and that is likely to cause the driveability issues we're seeing.

Is it a dick move by FAST to say the smaller TB's work? Sure. but its not like a parts maker would lie or anything.

Personally, i think the forums downfall has been AF's policy of letting anyone with a check book be a sponsor. for every decent one we have, we have 5 bags of dicks.

and as far as the moderation thing, its not even worth trying to moderate anything involving a sponsor. If the sponsor doesnt like a member asking a question, or pointing out a flaw or correcting any error, no matter the 'tone' used, they go crying to AF, or making threats about lawsuits. Its all very very lame. So as long as it doesnt devolve into name calling, its allowed to run.

As far as the 102 TB not being needed on stock cubes/non-fi, i agree. Im not entirely sure the 102 manifold is needed for stock cubes either. I just find it shocking that after years of dick-riding FAST over a few mm's, all of a sudden that has stopped. If you were running a 78mm on a 90, youd be a tard, but all of a sudden running a 90/92 on a 102 is fine, but here's a ring for you.

 

[Lonestar]

Speaking as a technician only, off idle stumbles tend to come back to MAF. It can be a vac leak, but what does that smurf with? MAF. It makes it look wrong.

yes i would assume it to be a intake leak as well

Well remember I said the cars have been properly tuned and have made good power/numbers?
We wanna know cause there are at least 20 other guys that we know that have complained about this.

just because a car puts down good peak numbers and has a smooth TQ curve and flat AFR, doesnt mean that the car will drive good off the line or part throttle. like steel chicken said, you cant put cake icing on a piece of shit and call it delicious

Define "properly tuned". Just because a shop does it doesn't mean it's right. Hell, plenty of "professional shops" pump out terrible tunes.

I did a LS2 Corvette with a FAST 102, and while it was a bear to dial in correctly, it's possible to do without killing throttle response.

Zero issues with mine! Ran it on the stock engine untuned for a couple weeks and have now put 600 miles on it with the SNL v.X cam and a wrp stage 3 p&p throttle body... haven't experienced any of the issues you described.

yeah, im going to say its probably the tune that is effecting all these peoples driveability. a really good tuner, that puts a lot of effort into the part throttle tuning and doesnt just tune the car on a dyno and/or only for WOT, will have zero issues like you do with driveability.

 

[Lonestar]

because its only common sense that leaving the the kind of gap that this 'velocity ring' or what ever fills might just cause enough turbulence, and that is likely to cause the driveability issues we're seeing.

a 12mm difference is pretty significant if you think about it, and when given small amounts of throttle the airflow will be all fubar for the first couple intake runners until the motor gets going

Is it a dick move by FAST to say the smaller TB's work? Sure. but its not like a parts maker would lie or anything.

yeah everyone knows that anything you read on the interwebz is the truth!

Personally, i think the forums downfall has been AF's policy of letting anyone with a check book be a sponsor. for every decent one we have, we have 5 bags of dicks.

and as far as the moderation thing, its not even worth trying to moderate anything involving a sponsor. If the sponsor doesnt like a member asking a question, or pointing out a flaw or correcting any error, no matter the 'tone' used, they go crying to AF, or making threats about lawsuits. Its all very very lame. So as long as it doesnt devolve into name calling, its allowed to run.

wow, that is really really lame

As far as the 102 TB not being needed on stock cubes/non-fi, i agree. Im not entirely sure the 102 manifold is needed for stock cubes either. I just find it shocking that after years of dick-riding FAST over a few mm's, all of a sudden that has stopped. If you were running a 78mm on a 90, youd be a tard, but all of a sudden running a 90/92 on a 102 is fine, but here's a ring for you.

IIRC the 102mm intake wasnt really needed unless you are running on the max end of the CI for lsx blocks or cramming mass amounts of air into a still larger than stock CI motor. hell, the majority of people that build a motor wont even get close to maxing out the 90mm opening on the intake... if anything, most the time they will make less power over the first 75% of the rpm range

...

 

[DREV LSX]

why are you being such a dickhead in dudes thread?

People are buying his product and are happy with it. Whats the big deal?


Your argument is dog shit also. If they wanted you to only run the 102 tb, they would have designed the manifold NOT to work with the stock throttle body. Why does the manifold advertise as working with a stock 90mm ls2 throttle body?

You dont need 102tb for stock cubes/non force inducted cars. The 92 is not even made anymore. Why not keep making the 92 for stock cube cars, and make the 102 for bigger cubes? Because the 102 is designed to be used on stock cube cars as well. Theres no need for that big donkey dick throttlebody. I made perfectly great numbers, which i wont even elaborate on since this website is just a giant locker room of dildos wanting to argue for attention with each other like a gang of twinks.

I noticed night and day improvement with adding the ring. Im not aphiliated with this guy either, i dont even know him beyond buying this ring off him. I didnt get any discounts, i dont work with his kid,bla bla bla, yet i still will agree his ring improved my cars drivability night and day. Cant people design new things and get credit anymore?

Whats this cheap ass business about also? Just because someone wont buy a throttle body they dont really even need, they are now a cheap ass? I could buy 19 of those smurfing things with chump change dresser drawer money and use them for christmas tree ornaments. Whats the point? id rather use that 500 dollars on a pair of tires or some shit i will use. I dont need to impress someone telling them "i bought the whole setup". Its just about what works and what does not work.


I havent even checked this thread in a while. This site seriously sucks ass though and needs extensive moderation,everyones a smurfin engineer, whether its a mechanical engineer or a custodial engineer pretending to be a mechanical engineer, all everyone does is argue with each other. Like 75% of the negative responses are from people with entirely unrelated parts lists. If you dont have a stock throttle body with the 102 intake and are not experiencing problems, i have no idea why you would even continue to argue here. There are industry renown tuners and builders already using this and agree it works. Besides, its smurfing 50 dollars. Thats what a pack of tee shirts and socks at foot locker cost. Why is it even a debate?

Sigh, who gives a smurf what some highschool landscaper thinks anyhow.

sorry for the rant drev lsx dude. (shaking head)

If anyone who is actually thinking about this ring has any questions, fell free to contact me. Im not on here often, so be patient.

Thanks for your support Blacklist, those that are running the product know it works and are happy with it. Like I have said before if the thread applies to you then by all means use the Velocity ring. If it doesn't then thats fine too. I'm not here to argue just to try to offer a solution to a problem we have found. A lot of guys are running it but dont even get on here to post cause of all the "experts" that wanna bash those that dont conform.

 

[mrfuelie]

Mine works just fine also.