I listen to/watch JRE quite a bit but skipped this one. I have no interest in the vegan debate any longer. Went plant based for about two years, lost weight, stomach issues went away completely and basically thrived. For me it just wasn't sustainable. Jumped back into my old ways and gained all the weight back plus some, stomach issues returned and became pretty miserable. Been doing keto for a couple of years now and am thriving again. For me personally it is more sustainable but like any restrictive diet it takes work.