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Nice! Keep us updated on how you like them!
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Is this powertrain warranty friendly? Or do you have to kiss your 3/36 goodbye?
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How many times do I have to post this.
Anytime you alter your car from stock by not using OEM parts, you run the risk of voiding your warranty. However, most dealers will correlate the cause and effect matter. If you install headers and a power window goes out, there is no correlation, hence they have no real grounds to void your warranty. Installing a set of headers does nothing more than a CAI does, just on opposite end.
Secondly, removal or relocation of the cats isn't a GM warranty issue. It's a Federal mandate issue. However, as I've posted many a time, no one outside of California really checks, especially at emissions tests. If the geezer who tests your car even gets down on his wobbly knees to look, all he cares is if there is a set there. He has no idea how GM from the factory did it, nor does he care, just that they're in place. Trust me, I've tested my heads and cammed motor that has long tube headers, random tech cats and Y-Pipe twice now. Quit being a bunch of pansies!
And Paul, I honestly don't think you'll remove and replace the headers with the stock manifolds for any warranty service. When you install them, get back to me if you still plan on going through this level of work to simply take your car in.
Anytime you alter your car from stock by not using OEM parts, you run the risk of voiding your warranty. However, most dealers will correlate the cause and effect matter. If you install headers and a power window goes out, there is no correlation, hence they have no real grounds to void your warranty. Installing a set of headers does nothing more than a CAI does, just on opposite end.
Secondly, removal or relocation of the cats isn't a GM warranty issue. It's a Federal mandate issue. However, as I've posted many a time, no one outside of California really checks, especially at emissions tests. If the geezer who tests your car even gets down on his wobbly knees to look, all he cares is if there is a set there. He has no idea how GM from the factory did it, nor does he care, just that they're in place. Trust me, I've tested my heads and cammed motor that has long tube headers, random tech cats and Y-Pipe twice now. Quit being a bunch of pansies!
And Paul, I honestly don't think you'll remove and replace the headers with the stock manifolds for any warranty service. When you install them, get back to me if you still plan on going through this level of work to simply take your car in.
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Make sure you do the dyno. We all would like to see some numbers.
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If you did have a problem needing to use your powertrain warranty obviously whatever has happend isn't good enough for your vehicle and should be upgraded. One train of thought.
The warranty i'm serious on keeping is for AC the radio, window motors, electrical problems. Thoes are the GTO specific stuff that will cost big dollars. Like $300+ for a window motor etc. All of which parts are unassoicated with any drivetrain modifications.
Maybe I can install the JBAs Paul, just have to find time. PM me if you wish.
The warranty i'm serious on keeping is for AC the radio, window motors, electrical problems. Thoes are the GTO specific stuff that will cost big dollars. Like $300+ for a window motor etc. All of which parts are unassoicated with any drivetrain modifications.
Maybe I can install the JBAs Paul, just have to find time. PM me if you wish.
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If GM voids the warranty well then JBA will have some explaining to do since they advertise that they dont void. I believe you Cmnt, but if i had to do it i would but i shouldnt because of what JBA advertises.
Right now the plan is to get them installed 10/23. My brother and a friend were going to help out but we all could most likely use your experinece so let me know what time would be good on that Saturday the 23rd and i will let you know.
Right now the plan is to get them installed 10/23. My brother and a friend were going to help out but we all could most likely use your experinece so let me know what time would be good on that Saturday the 23rd and i will let you know.
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Per the Magnusson/Moss act, GM has to prove that the headers caused the mechanical failure you're bringing the car in for. Like I repeatedly post, if you put them on and your power window motor fails, they have no grounds to deny you warranty coverage.
However, if you install those headers, the headers allow the engine to breath better, it breathing better means it'll rev up quicker, and if you let it get away from you, bounce it off the rev limiter a few times, bend pushrods and possibly other damage, then they do have legitimate feet to stand on and deny coverage and there is nothing JBA can post or say about it. That is unless JBA wants to foot the bill.
However, there are plenty of GM dealers that follow GM's letter of the law and if they see ANY (and I do mean ANY) non-OEM modification, they'll deny you any coverage. That's where you can say something and use that Mag/Moss act to argue.
However, if you install those headers, the headers allow the engine to breath better, it breathing better means it'll rev up quicker, and if you let it get away from you, bounce it off the rev limiter a few times, bend pushrods and possibly other damage, then they do have legitimate feet to stand on and deny coverage and there is nothing JBA can post or say about it. That is unless JBA wants to foot the bill.
However, there are plenty of GM dealers that follow GM's letter of the law and if they see ANY (and I do mean ANY) non-OEM modification, they'll deny you any coverage. That's where you can say something and use that Mag/Moss act to argue.
28,673 times. It is a well known fact that you have to tell a child something 15 times on average before they learn it. I suspect that grownups are worse. Multiply that by how many people we have on the board and....well you get the idea......CMNTMXR57 said:
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