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OK so I have a 3 year old FN, FNX-40. And whilst I do love the thing, I shot another IDPA event with a 9mm and a 45. and 40cal is starting to get harder to find and more expensive etc.

but going back and forth I did have more overall control and was faster with both the 9mm and the 45. Though I have to also so both of them were, well not standard.

the 9mm was a pro series longer slide M&P. and gee it's nice. I don't normally like a hammerless system but meh.

And on the45 it was a FNX-45 tactical. Which to be fair is not what I intend to purchase but is rather similar to the base 45.

So there is is. Now I mostly am leaning to moving 45 but I am give thought to M&P 2.0 in 45. As much as I love my FNX and the other FNX.

I'm also giving thought to the new FN 509 in 45. But I haven't counted out 9mm.


Thoughts? Other considerations? Before the glock crowd gets started no I don't like them. I'm not going to say it's a bad gun, nothing about that, nothing they don't fit my hand right. all there really is too it and I've tried a number of them.
 

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I like shooting 40 but for me it is ALL hand loaded bulk for shooting steel matches. I use it in both a full size Timberwolf based on a G35 and my competition modified Sub 2k in PCC.

That being said, while I do love me some 45ACP and we have many, it's hard to beat the cost effectiveness of 9mm. Especially if you're not reloading.

I'm hardly a Glock fan boy even though we own a lot of them. That being said I've never even fired an FN let alone picked one up. If you like them and shoot them well and they're reliable then stick with it.

M&Ps are fantastic as well and very reliable. I have a hard time staying on target with stock M&Ps but that's a training thing.
 

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Have you looked at Walthers? Specifically look at their PPQ Q5. I used to not like Walthers, but then I shot one. Damn is the grip comfortable. It also has noticeably less flip than an M&P 9 IMO. I didn't shoot the Q5, but I'd imagine it would be even better. Anyways, that's my $.02
 

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Also, for a wild card, look at the Canik TP9-FSX. My buddy had one, and for the price I was amazed. Still, the Walther would be my first choice, but if you didn't want to pay that much, the Canik is a good option
 

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Have Bar, Will Travel
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I haven't heard of or seen a Canik so I'll look it up. Sort of wanted to stay with known duty pistol makers for this gun as it's going to be my primary HD/Carry.

Biggest appeal of the M&P series is to have the full size and the shield that both function the same, feel mostly the same, etc. which has me leaning this way. But as I said the FNX feels like home.

Black - if you've never used one, it is like a polymer, full ambi - para ordinance double stack 45. They handle and feel good, and run smooth - as a safed DA/SA style gun. (I used the term safed in that is has a seer block mechanism and a de-****er/safety).

Torn I is.

Rich- I've tried the walther PPQ a few years ago I think it was a 4 though. Walther makes some good guns too I've given it a thought too. If I had to pick a third contender in the DAO system it would be theirs. Walther has ties to SW too - but as far as I know they are still german owned, by an AG company if I recall.
 

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So I'm being talked into 9mm by the rest of my church safety team. Seems I am the only odd man out on .40. and the people that have .45 don't carry them.

so everyone but one other person is on 9mm. and he's going to be asked to conform anyway it seems as we are making a standard requirement.

Not a standard pistol or ammo but rather everyone must use something with a minimum 4inch barrel - and show profeciency at 20 yards and 30 yards. which will be hard to do with an LCP.

Or well I think it will be hard to do with an LCP - I know I can't do it. My FNX handles that well - and I can keep it no problem. But as I'm looking to move anyway . . . . . .

Seriously thinking about an FNX 9mm. That also exists. But I really do like the idea of the M&P 2.0 full in 9 and it's counterpart Shield full in 9mm with integrated green laser. why - becasue why the smurf not.

So I'm going to test out an Walther, a M&P and a FN 509 I think. maybe a few others. OH someone else told me to try the Sig 365. Might add that I used to be a sig guy.
 

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I know you said that you don’t like the way Glocks fit your hand, but have you tried the 43X or 45? They have a thinner profile and are easier to conceal. They also feel very different from all of the standard Glocks.
 

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I haven't tried a 43X and normally glocks don't quite fit me right. (again not a hater they just don't fit my hands well). One of the guys on the team has one and uses it though.

We've been batting the idea that we should all use something with a 4 inch barrel minimum - which prevents use of the M&P shield also as far as I know - and a number of other compacts.. Two of the women on the team use M&P shields and they might move to something else too. I keep going back to the M&P.

Meanwhile there is a joint near me called Shoot Point Blank they are a range/store. They have a great test and rental policy. SO I'm going to try a number of things.

On the list currently. M&P, and Shield, Sig P320 and 365, FN 509, Walther M2, and maybe that new Q5 even though it's a alloy frame. The Canik TP9 something, and I might be trying an Archon Type B. I'm a bit off on the non-common name brands mostly because of liability and recognition and the like. But I'm still open to suggestions. I might even try a glock gen 5 while I'm there.

On thing that I wish more guns had was full ambidexterous control. FN does this which is a main thing I like - since I like to trade hands. Course when I carry it will be in a holster on one side so that is going to determine my common use. true. But I still practice with both hands especially in a grap from table sort of sense as I might well break my RH or LH tomorrow.
 

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OH and side follow on I might try some longer slide options too. No I don't really know why but I have used some competition 1911's in an IDPA setup with 5 inch barrels and they draw more or less as well as a 4 inch. I see a few people do carry items like the M&P pro series (5 inch) or the CZ something. OH that's another I might test is the CZ
 

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So tested the following.

M&P 2.0
Sig P320 (ALA M17 model)
Centruy arms TP9-- (it had letters at the end)
FN 509
M&P Shield 2.0
Sig 365
CZ P10 something (I should have taken pictures I realized as I left the parking lot)


Rented for 30 minutes and put 50 rounds though.

M&P:2.0
Sig P320
FN509

Yes I did sit there and go though 150 rounds of 9mm - that I also bought yes it was overkill sort of.

So far I loved the 509 - unfortunetly it doesn't have a easier to conceal, single stack counterpart gun but it was great.

But I was most accurate with the Sig and the M&P after the 30 minute rental test. The Sig wasn't a base standard model sig so I will have to try again. The CZ I was the most accurate with out of all of them but I really think I had a completion model not a standard model.

Of the concealable other device. I have to say I think I shop the Sig 365 better than the M&P Shield but not by alot. (call it 15 out of 20 vs 17 out of 20) but the M&P is easier to conceal.

At the end I'm still leaning M8P 2.0 in 9 - with glow or fiberoptic sights; and M&P shield 9mm possibly with the integrated laser, just becasue.

But I'm probably going to do another set of test runs.
 

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Not a standard pistol or ammo but rather everyone must use something with a minimum 4inch barrel - and show profeciency at 20 yards and 30 yards. which will be hard to do with an LCP.
Novice question: Isn't 30 yards a bit far for handgun proficiency? Being the novice that I am, I have read that FBI says the average distance for a gun encounter is 21 feet. I have tailored my range time for those types of distances. Depending on the drill I want to do, I usually go anywhere from 3 to 10 yards.

Next time I go, I am going to try to hit at 60 feet, which is the furthest I can go at the indoor range, sadly.
 

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So a few updates.

One on the Glock question - what I forgot to add. I'm one of those people for whom the glock handle to action angle is just too steep. While it's a minor difference I'm one of the probably 30 % of the population that doesn't like the way it feels and points with that handle angle. Note - it's enough of a difference that clearly others find room to market other guns too. I hear from a few people that they have some adjusting to do with they move Glock to __ and back. Mostly though that is a 1911 clone of some flavor.

Meanwhile Sig is closing the gap in the like camp. But I do still really like that M&P 9 with the laser integrated. Just a nice package.

Full size full frame devices - Honestly none of them are very bad. OH and by damn and hour with a FN 509 had me clanging that better than my FNX that I own. If only they made a single stack counterpart. And Yes I've sent FN a letter to this point.

M&P with modded trigger is crazy nice. Modded trigger is also just a good mod for any gun so there is that.

Still want to move 9mm I guess but right now prices on all things is crazy. Or you can't get one for 4 months since production is out.



the 30 yard question yes that is quite far for a pistol. Reasoning we started testing that out - distance from church door to the mid of the one of the parking lots and distance to the back of the driveway in the back from the back door. Thought being someone driving up we might want to hold off someone from the door to make them think twice about continuing. Proficient isn't quite what you might think we are taking about center of mass of the standard IDPA cardboard at 30 yards. It was easier than I thought it would be. But we are still talking about if we want to keep considering it.
 

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I am a pistol fan through and through. I own a lot of different brands of pistols and am not brand specific when it comes to my choices. After hearing about grip angle and complaints I laid one of my Glocks over one of my 1911s, out of curiosity. The grip angle is almost identical. Apparently I don't understand what people are talking about. The ergonomics may be slightly different, but for the most part the angle are very similar.
 

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back when I had my sig 226 laid against a glock there was a noticeable difference is angle and grip. However I would agree that it's more than just grip to barrel or action angle.
 

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I have a glock 26, and I wouldnt have it if it wouldnt have been given to me, so I can relate on the dislike for glocks. I do have a glock 48 which is their new slimmer pistol like the 43 and 43x, You owe it to yourself to shoot one. I put a ghost trigger connector and a talon grip on mine and its probably my favorite pistol now. They do make 15rd mags for it too. I have a sig p365 also, and between those two....its pretty close. The sig has a much better trigger out the box for sure and much better sights. It is smaller, and a tossup on comfort. I find myself gripping my glock just randomly because its just that comfortable.
 

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FOllow on thought do you know if Glock changed the grip significantly over the generations. I think the last one I put any time with was a gen 2 many many years ago. So now I wonder.

Eitherway with all the choices it is helpful to remove some from the list.

OH and meanwhile I decided to wait a tick since guns are hard to get now. In that one the prices all moved up and 2 even when I try to get something, I have to wait nearly a month. Or that was the case in April. I was all set to order a M&P 2.0 but I couldn't get it for a month so I decided to just hold off.
 

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Have you held a 48? its a far cry from anything else glock has grip wise. Check out what youtubers are saying about the new taurus g2 and g3's. They are fairing as good as a m&p for less money. Ive seen them available (both m&p and taurus) at academy in the last couple weeks.
 
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