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How many of us run radar detectors? I have had one for years and it is just a cheap one. But it has saved me many times!
I decided it was time to upgrade and I just ordered a Valentine1.
Its supposed to be the best on the market. Does anybody else have this brand and if so ,how do you like it?
Here is a link to their site http://www.valentine1.com/home.asp
 

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my buddy is a cop and he tells me about all of the New ways that the Cops "clock" your speed............Needless to say a radar detector is not much help in many situations.

The cops are now getting a type of TIMING GUN that just simply times you over a set distance. No use of any radar, lazer, nothing.
Also the airplanes that simply time you against the road stripes, radar detcetor useless.
Lazer......when the radar detector goes off, its already too late, the cop has your speed.

So there are so many situations where they just can't detect the new technologies. I refuse to spend big money on a detector if its really only usefull against 1 type of speed monitoring. BUT they do help against Radar. I currently have a cheap one, but I just don't rely on it at all. It just help whenever it can.
 

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I've have a fleet of Radar detectors. I prefer Bel personally. I refuse to spend on a V1 as it is big, clumsy and usually once it goes off, I have visually scanned enough to find where he is, so I don't need the direction. In the real world, all detectors are even. Despite what "performance tests" may say.
 

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Im using a Cobra, not a cheap one, and it wasnt worth it :( It hasnt helped me once, ive had it for about 3-4 months now and frankly i havnt seen any radars since long before that. They're obsolete now or something.
 

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I've have a fleet of Radar detectors. I prefer Bel personally. I refuse to spend on a V1 as it is big, clumsy and usually once it goes off, I have visually scanned enough to find where he is, so I don't need the direction. In the real world, all detectors are even. Despite what "performance tests" may say.
I disagree. I have a escort 8500 and my boss has a V1. Both are excellent. I prefer the escort because it is smaller and its detection range is just about the same as the V1. The V1 does have the arrows which are nice.

As far as other methods are concerned, Vascar (timing) has existed for ages as does pacing and the obvious road stripes. All of these pretty much require the cops to see you well in advance (hint - a small aircraft flying in circles over the road ahead is a good sign of whats going on, and the road stripes are obvious). Laser is detectable though it is MUCH harder to catch in advance. At the same point, since it is visual, laser jammers are legal (or at least more legal then radar jammers).

Still, the #1 and #2 methods cops rely on for catching you are pacing and radar. And I personally wouldn't trust anything less then either the escort or the v1. They are both that good. I've had as long as 4 miles notice of the troopers on I-4, and generally have never been surprised with it.

Of course I will qualify that with the fact that I drive fast, but sensibly. I am RARELY out in the left lane doing more then 10-15 over, which seems to be the magic speed in Florida. You are SIGNIFICANTLY more likely to get nailed in the left lane then the slower lanes. On top of that, when I do haul, I generally do it in areas that I know well and know where the police sit.

I've driven over 200,000 miles in the last few years, most of it on interstates and only have 1 ticket (which had it been local I would have fought and beat, but since it was in Maryland I couldn't afford to fly up just to fight a ticket), and I would say I'm faster then the limit 95% of the time. A smart driver who is aware of his surroundings and doesn't drive in a reckless or dangerous manner is FAR less likely to get a ticket then the guy with 3 radar detectors, a jammer and a scanner who drives like a maniac, but at only 10 miles over the limit. Trust me on that.
 

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I am a Cop. I will be the first one to tell you Radar detectors do not work. The only way they will work is if the Officer leaves his radar on all the time. If they are like me, as many are, they will turn on the radar when they see a vehicle they think is speeding. Therefore when your detectors goes off, the Cop already has your speed. Now I know what some will say.......I was speeding one time and my detector went off and the Cop did not stop me. That my be true.....but most Cops in this area will give you about 15mph over the speed limit.
Take my advice.....save you money for the Mods on your GTO.
 

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The slight advantage a V1 may have over the competition is minimal. When at speed that difference is non-existent.

The only time I've been ticketed with mine in use was when I was drag racing and got nailed at 117 in a 45! No radar detector would've helped me there. Otherwise, my fleet of Bel's have never let me down.
 

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I am a Cop. I will be the first one to tell you Radar detectors do not work. The only way they will work is if the Officer leaves his radar on all the time. If they are like me, as many are, they will turn on the radar when they see a vehicle they think is speeding. Therefore when your detectors goes off, the Cop already has your speed. Now I know what some will say.......I was speeding one time and my detector went off and the Cop did not stop me. That my be true.....but most Cops in this area will give you about 15mph over the speed limit.
Take my advice.....save you money for the Mods on your GTO.
I agree with Millpond. I gave up on radar detectors about 1987 after getting a ticket going 104 on the interstate with an escort radar detector. I would not have been going that fast if it wasn't for the false sense of security I had with the escort radar detector. Don't waste your money, keep your eyes peeled, and be sane.
 

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I wish we had radar detectors here in VA. I could write multiple pages on how the lack of detectors upsets traffic flow here locally. You see without a radar detector everyone is afraid to speed. Notice I said afraid, not that they don't speed. So what happens on a 3 lane highway as soon as someone starts speeding they all file in behind and begin jockeying. It was really hard for me to get used to that driving style. Cars will nearly draft you if you are speeding so that radar tracks you and not them. Try it sometime when traveling through. Go from 55 to 70 and the next thing you know you've got 3 cars shadowing you. Pull over to let them pass and they stay with you. It's hilarious.
 

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davbo, I wish more people would just give them up. I get tired of people taking me to court because when I stopped them for speeding they said there radar detector only went off for a brief moment and therefore I could not have clocked them speeding.



cvp33, I think it is great VA has a law against radar detectors. They do give a false sense of security, especially with younger drivers. They think because they have that radar detector they can go faster......and you know what that means. Accidents!

BTW....Radar detectors now can detect more than one car.......even if they are bumper to bumper.
 

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MILLPOND said:
I am a Cop. I will be the first one to tell you Radar detectors do not work. The only way they will work is if the Officer leaves his radar on all the time. If they are like me, as many are, they will turn on the radar when they see a vehicle they think is speeding. Therefore when your detectors goes off, the Cop already has your speed. Now I know what some will say.......I was speeding one time and my detector went off and the Cop did not stop me. That my be true.....but most Cops in this area will give you about 15mph over the speed limit.
Take my advice.....save you money for the Mods on your GTO.
Of the cops in Florida, I would say 90% use always on. Of all the cops I've ever seen working Radar, 90% use always on.

I agree its silly, but its the truth.

Look at what I said above, a Radar detector is an excellent tool, but it shouldn't be the only thing that you rely on. I don't disagree that most cops will give you 15 mph over, but I'm willing to bet that even you'll agree that drops to 5 or even less if the car you catch is weaving, tailgating and driving recklessly.

A radar detector is a valuable tool for driving, IMHO, but if you rely on it to open it up to 110, regardless of the situation and your surroundings, it isn't going to do jack to save you.
 

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They think because they have that radar detector they can go faster......and you know what that means. Accidents!

Speed alone doesn't cause more accidents. It does cause more fatalities in those accidents, just based on simple math, but if you want to argue from a wholistic approach, the amount of time saved by the human population, by driving at 75 instead of 55, is more then that lost by those who end up dead in an accident that wouldn't have been killed at the lower limit. Its an ugly way to look at it, and it is in no way meant to say that someone's life wasn't worth it, but it does show the impact on society as a whole. I disagree with the asshats that say that we need to drive 55 because more people are dying when we drive 70. By that logic we'd all be driving 10 mph in cars required to have 5 star crash ratings and they'd all be made from nerf.

That said, the number one cause of accidents in my opinion is driver inexperience. I have been to skip barber racing school. In fact, I did it in an ambulance (You want to learn to drive, learn to do it in a 6 ton vehicle at 100mph). What exactly does that mean to me? It means I'm significantly more confident in my ability to handle a car at 90mph on open dry road, then a 17 y/o with a rice rocket or a 80 year old grandmother with diminishing skills. Millpond, you've probably been trained in repeated high speed classes, and I'm willing to bet you're skill far exceeds mine and you'd have no problem handling a car at upwards of 120 mph in the same conditions, so provided you are doing so in a safe manner, what is wrong with that? Is it because some old lady isn't capable of driving that fast?

The interstate speed limit laws of this country have no purpose other then to slow everyone down to the speed the least capable of us can handle. (Local roads are different, there are other legitimate safety concerns there). Outside of construction or city areas, there is no reason to handicap society to the weakest among us on the interstate system. That is provided people didn't drive reckless or careless and followed the drive right/pass left laws.

Now, I don't exactly have the raw data in front of me, but I am going from personal experience (be an EMT on the NJ Turnpike for about 5 years and you'll see who you pull in in accidents and what caused them). If you disagree with me, thats fine, its just my 2 cents.
 

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I dont disagree with you. What I was trying to say earlier, you agree with me when you said........"the number one cause of accidents in my opinion is driver inexperience." It has been my experience that the inexperience drive is most likely to be the younger (teenage) driver. Now I know that is not all of them....but they are a large part.
I think speed limits are important because the experience driver, who would be able to handle a car at great speeds, has to be on the look out for the inexperienced drivers.
Having said that, I am sure some will say.....all accidents can be avoided.......which is false.....because you can not know what someone else is thinking....and you most certainly cant predict what they are going to do.
I hate speed limits as much as the next.....but they are there because not everyone drives at the same skill level.
Now I am not saying by any means I am one of the great drivers of the world......but through training and experience I know my limits.......and I have been trained on what to do if I over step them.

BTW.....when I was talking about most departments giving 15 mph over the limit....I was talking about in this state. How do I know this.....all departments in this state operate for the same Standard Operating Procedures. Sure there are other factors which may change that rule.....but when you are talking about just speed......15 is where I stop them.

I am looking forward to pushing those speed limits in my GTO!:D
 

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As for accidents and the age of drivers my insurance agent explained it this way. Standard adult above the age of 25 is assigned a risk factor of 1. Younger women are assigned a factor of 2 because they have about twice as many accidents per capita as the standard adult. Then there is the younger male with the risk factor of 4.....

I have a favorite method for encouraging safety that has yet to be implemented. At the time of license renewal everyone is issued 50 darts. Everytime you see someone do something stupid you shoot their trunk with a dart. Cop sees a car with ten darts they get pulled over and issued a ticket!!

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Another significant cause of accidents that is ridiculously overlooked by just about everybody is the lack of vehicle maintenance. Sound simplistic?? In my profession I see vehicles every day that have no business on a city street let alone a major interstate, and people are more concerned about the money they save than the safety of their vehicle. Tires worn to nothing from misalignment (not to mention air pressure), wasted front end parts (what do you think is going to happen to you when your outer tie rod snaps at 80mph??), leaky or grinding brakes (I've seen people drive with brake pads long gone, just the backing plate of the pad that actually wore through to the vents of the rotor, finally causing it to disintigrate), on and on and on. Throw the ever popular overloaded SUV with the car suspension on the non-car center of gravity into the mix, or the teenage tuner ride with the kickin stereo (much cooler to spend money on THAT) and the ball joints ready to collapse, and it's not hard to figure out why a lot of accidents occur. There, sermon's over!! Now go get your car checked out!!
 
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