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I would also look at other places instead of PSA. PSA is a great company, but they are slow to ship, and don't have the pest price all the time.
 

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If I were going to build an iron sight carbine, I'd go with a Dissipator or mid-length upper for more sight radius. Dissipator has the same sight radius as a 20" rifle, where the mid-length sight radius is between carbine & dissipator, but a bayonet fits properly on a mid-length if that's important to you.

mid-length: http://palmettostatearmory.com/ptac-16-mid-length-5-56mm-1-7-upper-without-bcg-or-charging-handle.html

dissipator: http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-16-mid-length-dissipator-without-bcg-or-charging-handle.html

If I were building a portable scoped carbine, I'd get an upper with a lightweight freefloat tube & possibly a light pencil barrel. I'm partial to longer freefloat tubes for better sight radius on my backup iron sights, but longer freefloat tube adds weight (as do the backup iron sights).

examples: http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-16-midlength-5-56-nato-1-7-pencil-13-2-stainless-freedom-keymod-upper-no-bcg-or-c.html

http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-16-mid-length-5-56-nato-1-7-15-free-float-a2-premium-upper-no-bcg-or-ch.html

I have no complaints with PSA products or shipping so far, & their cheap dissipator upper I picked up last year is much more accurate than it has any right to be. Keep an eye on their sales as deals come & go all the time.
 

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Wow....thanks for all the replies. I am going to try to answer this post by post.

What do you want it to do? Are you looking for lowest cost? Do you want a quad rail or standard hand guard? Do you want a complete upper (w BCG)?
This will be mainly a range toy. Lowest cost is not an objective, but this being my first AR I am not ready to "go all out" yet. I am not sure if I want quad rail or standard hand guard. The only ARs I have shot have been standard hand guard. I will need a complete upper...rather I have to buy charging handle and BCG separately does not matter much.

This.

So many option out there. If you want dirt cheap I can send you links for various parts to build your own upper, but I'm guessing building a rifle is not in your wheel house yet.
I am not needing to go dirt cheap, but I am also capable of building a rifle. If piecing everything together will get me a superior rifle relative to cost I am up for it.

I would also look at other places instead of PSA. PSA is a great company, but they are slow to ship, and don't have the pest price all the time.
I am definitely willing to look elsewhere. PSA is where I bought my stripped lower...I bought the trigger group and whatnot elsewhere.

I'd get the lowest twist rate that you can. Generally speaking the lower the twist rate the heavier bullet you can shoot.
Thanks, one of my friends told me the same thing.

Do you think this would be a superior setup to the options oodn-oodn listed below?

If I were going to build an iron sight carbine, I'd go with a Dissipator or mid-length upper for more sight radius. Dissipator has the same sight radius as a 20" rifle, where the mid-length sight radius is between carbine & dissipator, but a bayonet fits properly on a mid-length if that's important to you.

mid-length: http://palmettostatearmory.com/ptac-16-mid-length-5-56mm-1-7-upper-without-bcg-or-charging-handle.html

dissipator: http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-16-mid-length-dissipator-without-bcg-or-charging-handle.html

If I were building a portable scoped carbine, I'd get an upper with a lightweight freefloat tube & possibly a light pencil barrel. I'm partial to longer freefloat tubes for better sight radius on my backup iron sights, but longer freefloat tube adds weight (as do the backup iron sights).

examples: http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-16-midlength-5-56-nato-1-7-pencil-13-2-stainless-freedom-keymod-upper-no-bcg-or-c.html

http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-16-mid-length-5-56-nato-1-7-15-free-float-a2-premium-upper-no-bcg-or-ch.html

I have no complaints with PSA products or shipping so far, & their cheap dissipator upper I picked up last year is much more accurate than it has any right to be. Keep an eye on their sales as deals come & go all the time.
I would like something that would be comfortable using either a simple red-dot like the Vortex Venom or setup as a scoped combine.
 

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I wouldn't say it's superior. It's a cheap, close to military rifle plan for the budget minded (ex. M16 bcg, m4 barrel) if you have the knowledge and means to build yourself a rifle, and know what you want the first time, building will be the best option. This way you get what you want the first time. I spent close to $2500 on my .300 blk. I built it from the ground up. It would be a lot more if I started with a complete rifle. If you don't plan on changing anything a pre assembled upper is a good choice
 

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Out of the two above, I personally would go for the cheaper one with the wylde chamber, no chrome lining, & longer freefloat tube.

Either one is probably fine, though.
 

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Can someone explain the advantage of the 223 Wylde chamber?
 

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It's a little bit more reliable, and can handle pressures better than the standard .223 chambering, but it's not as reliable as the 5.56 chambering. It's really the best of both worlds. A little more reliable and stronger than standard .223, a little more accurate than 5.56. It was designed for matches.
 

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Best of both .223/5.56 bullet weight worlds, Master of none.

I've never seen one in black, they all seem to be in stainless.
Beat me to it by a hair lol. Most match barrels are stainless, and the wylde is first and fore most a match design.
 

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Don't expect me to explain this, but looks like 223 wylde is looser at the neck & base, while the throat is between 223 Rem & 5.56:

 

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OK. I think I am going to order the Wylde chambered upper from PSA. Maybe I will see it sometime in November....lol
 

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I started looking at optics. I am a big fan of Vortex and have been real happy with their stuff on my rifles. This guy caught my eye...

http://www.vortexoptics.com/category/strike_eagle_riflescopes

Anyone have experience with it?

Edit...

Fuck it, after reading and watching reviews I decided to give it a shot.
 

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I love vortex.
 

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That optic (Vortex Strike Eagle) is apparently getting pretty scarce. I placed ordered from two of the bigger optics sites both of which showed in-stock, and both of which emailed me that it was on backorder 2-4 months. After a few phone calls I found a small shop in AZ that had a few in their possession and said they would ship it out today.
 

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picked up a spikes lower today...now the question is build the upper from the ground up or to hell with it and buy a built one? Ive never done it so I want the experience but not the hassle (if there is one). From what ive been reading, headspace seems to be the only major concern. I plan on buying a fully built bolt assembly. what other pitfalls might there be?
 
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