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But if Pete wins the nomination they will vote for Pete out of hate for Trump. But I don't see Pete voters as wholeheartedly voting for Bernie if he gets the nomination. They would probably just stay home and not vote. Bernie people would have a lot easier time voting for Pete than they would have for Hillary I think.
 

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I have to agree even the hardcore bernsie fans that can't spell socialism will vote for whomever on the D ticket becasue #nomoorange

or whatever their catch slogan would be.

however short of a Pete ticket, I still see a decent sized contingent of #nevercommunism running well too. (yes I know I know)
 

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Bernie people would have a lot easier time voting for Pete than they would have for Hillary I think.
Agree. Any of the front running D's a A LOT more progressive Dem's than Hillary was. And most have taken at least some of 2016 Sideshow Bernie's platform and put it in their own.

But I'm also sure that there is a sizable Bernie following that will just sit home if he's not on the ticket.


As of now, (and we were all wrong before so...) I don't see anyone coming close to beating Trump.
*unless the economy takes a big shit in the next 7 months.
 

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I read a theory the other day, I can't remember where it was published. Basically the gist was there is no such person as a swing voter. There is about a 55% engagement factor among the general electorate. A popular candidate that energizes a base will turn out a large voter population, but that is offset by resignation on the opposing side. So the idea that there is a large percentage of voters that go either way isn't true.

That said. IDK if I believe it, because I have been that swing voter. But it does make some sense. I talk to a lot of people that thing a vote for a candidate that didn't win is a wasted vote. So if you know your guy is going to lose, there is less incentive for you to take the time to actually vote.

Fear is a great motivator. If you're scared of a particular boogeyman you will come out to defend. I think that's why W really won in 2004 - they were able to make gay marriage the boogeyman and the Dems weren't all charged up about the Frankenstein looking dude. Obama was a shock, and conservatives responded huge in 2010. No one thought Drumpf would win, so a lot of people felt it safe to vote for him in protest, or vote 3rd party for the same reason (this was me). But it's surprising to me that Drumpf's supporter has been so strong among his base.

I see lots of motivation on both sides. Ouster of Trump is a HUGE Democrat motivator, as is his defense on the other side. IDK what is going to happen, but I don't really think the nominee is going to be the deciding factor for many.
 

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NH won't tell us much of anything and with SC having an open primary when Repubs can skew the Dem nomination greatly one way or another if they want to and organize so SC won't tell us much either. NV and CA will be where the rubber starts to meet the road I think.
NC has an open primary, too. I am registered independent, so I can vote in either one. I always opt for the one with the most choice, which I guess is a case of be careful what you wish for. I have to decide which of the D clowns is the least offensive, both against each other and the big orange R clown.
 

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Ok, gonna say IT.

If Pete was elected, there is a large portion of the 'Deep Red thinking folks' that would just loose their shit. I think I'm related to some of them. I can't even imagine what my 82yo FIL - whom is convinced of every fake FB left wing conspiracy he see's anyways, will think.

And I don't want his personal preference to be an issue (as I honestly don't give a shit - I mean we can go on an on about guys like Kennedy, Johnson, Clinton, ect.. - and yes Trump). There are much much more important things to discuss about a guys political/economic beliefs and qualifications. But boy, oh boy, it will be. And I can honestly see a big portion of the liberal left voting for that one reason only.

So... IDK.


*PS: I couldn't figure out how to post this? I mean, IT is a big deal I think. Yet, around here most of us don't care, and aren't that kind of haters. So... mods delete if needed?
 

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I have to believe that the vast majority of folks who would have an issue with Pete's lifestyle wouldn't vote for a Dem in the first place.

If Pete was elected, there is a large portion of the 'Deep Red thinking folks' that would just loose their shit. I think I'm related to some of them.
As far as that is concerned, I'd actually like to see it. Not unlike the folks on the other end of the spectrum felt about Trump when he won I would think. Or the way many felt about Obama for that matter. You can argue against his political points of view and I have no problems, but MANY hated Obama simply because he was black.
 

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No one thought Drumpf would win, so a lot of people felt it safe to vote for him in protest, or vote 3rd party for the same reason (this was me). But it's surprising to me that Drumpf's supporter has been so strong among his base.
Pure hubris kept the majority of the Left from seeing that Clinton was actually that detestable as a candidate. She was promised the White House and the general public found an orange-hued reality star a more palatable option.

For a not-insignificant number of Americans, it was less about supporting Trump than it was preventing Hillary from winning the presidency. And that's not sexism; that's the direct result of her previous four decades' worth of corruption and douchebaggery playing out on a public stage. Despite the lack of meaningful absolution, Benghazi and her criminally bad judgment with regard to email communications, those and other scandals surrounding the Clinton empire affected her image enough that all the machinations of the mainstream media and the incumbent administration weren't enough.

Warren, Sanders, Biden all have skeletons in their closet that will make this election tough for them. The candidates that don't? Gabbard, Buttigieg? I'll take either or both of them over the grizzled veterans who've shown clearly that they are dyed-in-the-wool politicians who are willing to put dangerous ideologies into motion in exchange for their shot at the White House.
 

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I have to believe that the vast majority of folks who would have an issue with Pete's lifestyle wouldn't vote for a Dem in the first place.


As far as that is concerned, I'd actually like to see it. Not unlike the folks on the other end of the spectrum felt about Trump when he won I would think. Or the way many felt about Obama for that matter. You can argue against his political points of view and I have no problems, but MANY hated Obama simply because he was black.
Completely agree on people hating/predicting bad things just because Obama was black. And yes, those who feel that way would never vote for ANY Democrat anyways.

I guess I just see/hear the wave of Conservatism and how "THEY**" are trying to change America. Kinda floods back into the MAGA yeah know? Anyhoo, an openly gay President is really going to freak a lot of people out in ways that I can't predict. This wave wasn't present prior to 2008. We just keep swinging further left and right.

But at the same time, there were very well respected people that I know personally on this board, whom predicted really bad shit with Obama (like assassination) - due to him being black. And ya know what? Nothing happened did it?

**The 'They' in this context being the Liberals. That's all I hear on conservative radio. Some bag of air saying "THEY' want us to _.

Sheeze, this shit is confusing. Which one is the Pro-Beer candidate? Can I vote for that guy/gal? IPA's for everyone!! haha Just no sours ok? F-that shit. :)
 

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Pure hubris kept the majority of the Left from seeing that Clinton was actually that detestable as a client. She was promised the White House and the general public found an orange-hued reality star a more palatable option.
Well to be fair, most of the public did vote for Hillary ;)

But agree, she lost it because many people just didn't like her and her past. And I don't blame them.


One thing to remember is, CAN any of these clowns really push through any of their crazy ideas? They are still just President. Bills have to go through congress and while both Obama & Trump have shown us the power of the pen, the purse is and always will be in Congress's clutch. So unless the Senate is flipped too, nothing crazy will be voted into law.

So yeah, say crazy shit to the masses to get elected. Like IDK, I'll build a wall and Mexico will pay for it! (lol) But frankly, this is status quo for politics since day one. Move along, nothing to see here.
 

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might be worth a different thread as if it really matters.

but to TX's point I agree and have already heard the various comments. Some from the "only R" camp but amazingly some from the millennial "you mean there is another party" D camp. which I will say surprised me. but some of the younger people I know - who can't do anything like their parents so they must vote D - HATE the Buttreig (sp?). and it's really various other reasons. OH he's from the other side, he's worked for some major fim . . . . . , etc etc blah. And I'm sitting here saying - do you read/listen to anything the boy has said?

I mean even wearing the methodist hat for a moment - he's pretty OK on that front. Aside from he seeming married wrong, but other than that the rest of his discussion points are decent. I mean he's not really for abortion - he's not against it either but more importantly he's on the "it's not the role of the govenment to legalize morality" bandwagon.

ANd yet he gets flamed from both sides now. But some of they younger side can not stand the guy. How dare he claim to be ghey when he doesn't embrace full on socialism. really how the hell does that work. I will say however I don't trust him as far as I can throw him. I mean I don't like turnip but I can trust what is motivations actually are. I don't trust Pence by any stretch as I'm not 100% sure what his motivations are.
 

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I just don't really see a gay candidate as viable. Accepting gay marriage is one thing, but a gay president (even among many Ds) is very different. I heard on TV this morning that Mayor Pete's support among blacks is 3%. Does that mean they would go on to support him should he win the nomination? I think many of them would just stay home.

I'm not sure how a gay opponent would affect the number of Trump voters. They people that it would really bother are already in his corner with no plans to stay home on November 3rd
 

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Well to be fair, most of the public did vote for Hillary ;)

But agree, she lost it because many people just didn't like her and her past. And I don't blame them.


One thing to remember is, CAN any of these clowns really push through any of their crazy ideas? They are still just President. Bills have to go through congress and while both Obama & Trump have shown us the power of the pen, the purse is and always will be in Congress's clutch. So unless the Senate is flipped too, nothing crazy will be voted into law.

So yeah, say crazy shit to the masses to get elected. Like IDK, I'll build a wall and Mexico will pay for it! (lol) But frankly, this is status quo for politics since day one. Move along, nothing to see here.
I think a president Bernie would be completely ineffective as president. The D establishment just doesn't like him. He would assume a status as the slightly eccentric Grandfather-in-Chief. Warren might be taken a little more seriously. As for Mayor Pete, I don't see how you go from running a college town of 100,000 to running a country of 300+ million people. He would quickly be absorbed by the establishment swamp.
 

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Well around here the black churches won't acknowledge him for that very reason. I mean they'd be on board with any of his train provided he was straight. He could be white and it wouldn't matter but even if he was black - but still gay - I don't think they would follow him.

Hell Yang has a better shot.
 

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I think a president Bernie would be completely ineffective as president. The D establishment just doesn't like him. He would assume a status as the slightly eccentric Grandfather-in-Chief. Warren might be taken a little more seriously. As for Mayor Pete, I don't see how you go from running a college town of 100,000 to running a country of 300+ million people. He would quickly be absorbed by the establishment swamp.
well I mean there was a community organizer that seemed to make it work. OH he was a D too, imagine that.
 

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I mean just like neverhilldawg won in 2016, I could almost as easily see never__________ win 2020 if pete was the front man. And if it's bloomy. #nevergunfree or #savethesecond whatever.
 

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As for Mayor Pete, I don't see how you go from running a college town of 100,000 to running a country of 300+ million people. He would quickly be absorbed by the establishment swamp.
Well, the current guy never held a public office before either, so.... I think message is vastly more important to most than specific experience.
 

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So I guess we are long past the days where you actually voted FOR somebody as president? It it strictly a strategic vote against X or Y?
 

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Anyone advocating expanding gun control is a guaranteed no vote, that pretty much eliminates any Donk from receiving my vote. Give no inches, give no miles. Mikey B. was in OKC this weekend with Judge Judy in tow. I was tempted to protest his campaign event but was attending a charity event for infants in crisis. Reports state he pulled in a whopping 1,100 attendees.
Roughly the same number of people who attended Trump's inauguration.
 
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