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shorties are not terrible by any means. they def dont make the same power LTs make but i still gained 22/20 rwhp/tq
was that with or without a tune?
 
Installing shorty headers

I know this is sort of an old thread, but hopefully there's some life left!

I have purchased a set of shorty headers for my 05, and the instructions make it sound like, "Unbolt manifolds, drop in headers from the top, bolt them in, done." But after staring into my engine bay for a little while, it seems like clearance on the passenger side is obscured by all the ABS stuff:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=...=bv.93990622,d.cGU&psig=AFQjCNHIf6Pr8Z7nvhtvhOPhQPqItKZI8g&ust=1432329671532502

Do you have to slip the shorties up from the bottom after you take off the manifolds? Thanks!
 
No engine mounts or engine lifting is required to install shorties. None. They drop right in with the coil packs out of the way. Also, do yourself a favor and tack weld some stainless bolts to the header flanges or at the very least get header-to-mid bolts that are about 1 inch longer than the ones JBA includes with the headers.
 
Obviously the main difference between shorties and long tubes is the length of the individual exhaust runners. But what's been left out of the conversation is the effect of the different lengths have on the scavenging of the exhaust. Long tube are designed to time and blend the exhaust pulses at high RPM with the least amount of piling up if possible. But even so, they are not exactly a one-size-fits-all but more of a ballpark guess because they have to be designed for what the builder considers "average" cubic inch, cam, +/- supercharger, etc. Somewhere in all the possible factors will be a combo that is 100% optimum for the headers and everything else will be close but not 100%. This is not a put down on the long tube headers because they are the best thing since sliced bread for high output, high RPM conditions.

But it's not all doom and gloom for shorty headers because while they do give away some of the high RPM advantages, they are still a lot better than the stock cast iron, boat anchor, manifolds. And they bring possible benefits that long tubes don't such as excellent response from off idle up to nearly maxed out RPM in the cars that are driven on the street 95% of the time. Everything is a trade off and shorties have their place and might be a better choice for more folks than you think.
 
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The disadvantage for shorty headers are that they are 1 5/8 diameter compared to long tubes with 1 3/4 or 1 7/8. Im sure if a 1 3/4 shorty header were made, it would give a good battle to long tubes of the same diameter------danfigg
 
The relationship between RPM, power, primary diameter and length is well established science. The relationships are thoroughly understood. I'm continually surprised at all the misinformation and superstition regarding headers.
 
The relationship between RPM, power, primary diameter and length is well established science. The relationships are thoroughly understood. I'm continually surprised at all the misinformation and superstition regarding headers.
agreed.

shorties are for people who don't want to go through the hassle of messing with the steering rack or need to be CARB compliant.

long tubes are always better.
 
Obviously the main difference between shorties and long tubes is the length of the individual exhaust runners. But what's been left out of the conversation is the effect of the different lengths have on the scavenging of the exhaust. Long tube are designed to time and blend the exhaust pulses at high RPM with the least amount of piling up if possible. But even so, they are not exactly a one-size-fits-all but more of a ballpark guess because they have to be designed for what the builder considers "average" cubic inch, cam, +/- supercharger, etc. Somewhere in all the possible factors will be a combo that is 100% optimum for the headers and everything else will be close but not 100%. This is not a put down on the long tube headers because they are the best thing since sliced bread for high output, high RPM conditions.

But it's not all doom and gloom for shorty headers because while they do give away some of the high RPM advantages, they are still a lot better than the stock cast iron, boat anchor, manifolds. And they bring possible benefits that long tubes don't such as excellent response from off idle up to nearly maxed out RPM in the cars that are driven on the street 95% of the time. Everything is a trade off and shorties have their place and might be a better choice for more folks than you think.
Well said. hope some read this rather then opt not to because it is too long. Fact is, I live in a CA. Shorties are a cost effective, easy to install, legal way for me to make more power...even if not as good as long tubes. So they have their place in this world!
 
Well said. hope some read this rather then opt not to because it is too long. Fact is, I live in a CA. Shorties are a cost effective, easy to install, legal way for me to make more power...even if not as good as long tubes. So they have their place in this world!
Hate to resurrect the thread, but do you pass smog in CA with JBA midpipes?
 
I know this is sort of an old thread, but hopefully there's some life left!

I have purchased a set of shorty headers for my 05, and the instructions make it sound like, "Unbolt manifolds, drop in headers from the top, bolt them in, done." But after staring into my engine bay for a little while, it seems like clearance on the passenger side is obscured by all the ABS stuff:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=...=bv.93990622,d.cGU&psig=AFQjCNHIf6Pr8Z7nvhtvhOPhQPqItKZI8g&ust=1432329671532502

Do you have to slip the shorties up from the bottom after you take off the manifolds? Thanks!
I just think it's weird this guy dropped in for one post over two years ago and never returned.
 
JBA full exhaust here and you definitely get a SES light after a few miles with catted mids. I've had it parked for a few months and after the going through the first tank of gas I accidentally put it 87 octane. I cleared the computer by removing the Diablo 91 tune and after 3/4 of a tank and about a month the light hasn't come on....yet.

Not saying I recommend using 87 but if you drive normally and can deplete a tank quickly this could be a quick alternative to swapping mids for smog. I use an elm327 Bluetooth obd2 adapter to check for emission monitors when I have these types of issues to make sure I have enough monitors to pass inspection.
 
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Shorty headers are 1 5/8 in diameter. Long tubes are 1 3/4 diameter. I would like to see a shorty header in a 1 3/4 diameter and then do some dyno test to see which make more hp/tq. ----danfigg
 
I have Full JBA setup. My mods are listed below. Car runs and sounds pretty good with shorty headers. Did I leave a few HP on the table with shorties, sure but that was my choice.



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I've got SLP mid-length ceramic coated headers, and I'm making 505WHP at 10lbs of boost from a 122 maggie, through an A4, on a DynoJet, with an EFIlive Tune. If I'm missing a few HP, I sure can't tell it when I'm smoking the tires all the way through second gear.
 
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