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Supposedly Pacesetter gives up about 5-10 hp to Kooks.

 

na bro its like 15hp :wall:

 

:search: Live it, love it, and please learn it...

But I will help you out this time....

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/search.php?searchid=7932166

 

Mighty kind of you to even post the link for him.

 

:eek3:

 

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:stormtrooper::stormtrooper::stormtrooper:
:cursin::cursin::cursin:

 

lol more power = more money = Kooks
bang for the buck = PS
/thread

 

You get what you pay for . Kooks FTW!

 

Are the few extra ponies worth $700-$800 more dollars?

 

installed a set of PS on a friends GTO they are pretty good for the money but they need a little cleaning up before installing them other then that they went on with out much trouble. IF you are low on cash and want headers they make good power.

 

i heard after a few years you have to replace PS? that true

 

No, truth is, they would probably outlast the car if there coated. Get what you can afford, thats basically what it comes down to. I doubt there is a SOTP difference between Kooks and PS.

 

Check out American Racing Headers, I have been very happy with them.

 

Bottom line is: it's your car. I chose the Pacesetters for the money because I couldn't see taking the loss on selling Kooks if and when I make to the turbo setup that I want.

 

I dont know what loss your talking about. People are selling USED Kooks on here for $900. Its rediculous IMO.

 

Not trying to be a dick but we have this discussion every other day it seems like, just :search: a little bit.

 

One of the points of this forum is to help each other out. Noobs aren't as familiar with the features as more experienced users. Patience is a virtue.

 

opcorn2:

 

Hmm.... Nope never been asked here before:

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=196642&highlight=Pacesetter+Kooks

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=254887&highlight=Pacesetter+Kooks

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=228233&highlight=Pacesetter+Kooks

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161275&highlight=Pacesetter+Kooks

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201696&highlight=Kooks+Pacesetters

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=239690&highlight=Kooks+Pacesetters

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=191927&highlight=Kooks+Pacesetters

Nope not a dead horse, just probably the biggest poo fling contest on this board.

 

Hmm.... Nope never been asked here before:

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=196642&highlight=Pacesetter+Kooks

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=254887&highlight=Pacesetter+Kooks

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=228233&highlight=Pacesetter+Kooks

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161275&highlight=Pacesetter+Kooks

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201696&highlight=Kooks+Pacesetters

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=239690&highlight=Kooks+Pacesetters

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=191927&highlight=Kooks+Pacesetters

Nope not a dead horse, just probably the biggest poo fling contest on this board.

LOL thats funny, it may be, but if money is no Object Kooks are the way to go, DYNO proven more HP:turbonaug:turbonaug:turbonaug

 

Dyno proven on the top end and the average I see posted up is 5 to 10 hp. Thats minute when you are in the high rpms....

 

we see 10 on average, and you are at 4500 RPM and above when you are getting on your car! at the track you are only down low for a second then its all mid and up top the rest of the time!:turbonaug.

if money is tight get the PS. make sure to get them coated! dont get black!!!!!!!! they fit good, im not DOWNING them just stating facts. if you are going to pay 500$ for 10-15 hp why not spend 1K and get 20-25 hp? its all the same price per HP actually......... we have installed many PS headers and i think the biggest thing i see with them is the rusting on the BLACK ones and the coating from factory isnt that great either. i would go with a Jet hot coating on them and you would be good to go!!!!

 

If you by the pacesetter it esentially save you money to go towards other mods. And btw I love my PS!!!

 

So far, the Pacesetters have done exactly what I wanted.

 

Yeah I have had mine on for about a week and they sound awesome I am trying to decide now what mufflers I want to change 2!

 

No, maybe not 700-800, but 600-700 is pretty close?

Kooks Long Tube Headers 1 7/8"x 3" - 2005-2006 LS2 GTO
- Kooks Connection Pipes 3" Off Road PT#6703-OC
- Optional Header Coating Jet Hot 2000 Degree Flat Black
- Optional Mid Pipes Coated? No

That's 1300 bucks right there...

Pacesetter 1 3/4" x 3" Headers - 2004-06 Pontiac GTO - Jet Hot Extreme Coated Pacesetter 1 3/4" x 3" Headers - 2004-06 Pontiac GTO - Jet Hot Extreme Coated
- Optional Header Coating Jet Hot 2000 Degree Flat Black
- Optional Mid Pipes (inc. ship) 2005-06 GTO Mid Pipes (PT#82-1165)
- Optional O2 Extenders 2 Front, 1 Rear O2 Ext. (05-06 GTO)

That's a hair under 700 bucks.


I'm assuming the price comparisons are usually done with Kooks being uncoated and Pacesetters being coated... which will definitely knock some money off the table... There is definitely a price gap here though?

 

Mine are uncoated Kooks that I've had on since they came out with the 1 7/8 over 2 years ago. Although I live in Az, so I don't worry about rust either. IMHO it's all about what you can afford. If you can get the Kooks get em. If not get Pacesetters.

 

IMHO it's all about what you can afford.

I think for a lot of people it's not even about that. Believe me, I can afford a lot of things if I want to, BUT and it's a big BUT

As I get older my cheap assedness is kicking in lol. :bomb:

 

I have done that comparison before and I swear it fell on deaf ears lol.

The bottom line is for me I need/want cats. Kooks cats are crap IMO and way too effin expensive. 1300+ for Kooks with catted mids none of it coated.

I will more then likely do Jet Hot coated Pacesetters with mids for 614 + 200 for a pair of Magnaflow metallic cats welded in myself.

That is a difference of over 500 dollars. What logic am I missing?

 

There is no dispute the kooks make more power. I am just not in it for 500 anymore.

and I should not have to factor in free coatings. It is what it is. I am going by your website.

 

k my grandfather just passed on his holden monaro down to me.. and i was going to order some kooks...

whats the difference in cat and catless mids? i know im probably going to get made fun of but o well... i would just like to keep this car in the family and up-to-date

 

I know this isn't a Kooks header but it shows what a better header design can do. This is QTP vs. Pacesetter.

+26 rwtq at 3200
+8 rwhp peak
+6 rwtq peak

Thread is here http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/dynam...ums/dynamometer-results-comparisons/700678-results-qtp-hvmc-vs-pacesetters.html

Seth

 

Thats on a built motor though. I think it would be safe to say the differences would be negligible on a stock motor since there is hardly a difference at peak here. And yes I know peak isnt everything.

 

Unless you have $50k for mods, I doubt you will see noticable differences in the Kooks. If you want show, get them, if you want just bang for the buck, get Pacesetter.

 

Wow.