The front Radius rod bushings should not make anything too harsh. It may create a bit of vibration in the steering wheel but shouldnt be too noticeable if noticeable at all.

Red pill or blue pill? I sell Noltecs and have them at $190 but the choice is yours.

 

No noticable harshness....installation is easy...biggest side effect....better brakes and in my opinion better road feel....PM me for unpublished specials....

 

i have the infamous Super Pro RR bushes and noticed no increase in NVH, choose your poison and do it

 

Why are the Super Pros "infamous"? (I have a set waiting on the bench)

 

noltec here and they work what can u say?

 

Superpro front and rear radius rod bushings FTW.

 

Lovells or Noltec (same thing). Pedders is way over priced for the same item.

 

Lovells all the way! I have pretty much my entire front end done with Lovells (minus the pedders struts I have) and love it! Made the car an entirely different monster!

 

Thanks for the comments. Sounds like the Noltec/Lovells will be a good bet.

The drivers side of my OEM was completely empty of fluid with a gash in the bottom part of it. I thinking I'll notice quite a difference.

 

i just sent u that email

 

Price and Quality go hand in hand... I've learned that so many times it's not even funny!

 

so when pedders lowered their prices on some parts they decreased their quality? i guess that would be true if you get what you pay for!

 

+1000

Bob speaks the truth

The Pedders bushings do not change anything in a negative way at all, everything they do is positive, EVERYTHING.

Less Tire Wear (Especially the inner tire wear)
Improved Braking
Improved Steering
Improved Cornering

No extra Noise
Not harsh Feelings
No Vibrations

This is by far the most important upgrade to anyone's GTO

 

that's the svede that i know and love, always twisting things to take shots at Pedders

love you too bro

 

twisted? taking what's been said time and again verbatim.

 

It is not usually my position to comment on another product, but since the Pedders foes seem to think Noltec is so good and Pedders is so bad, lets take a look at the differences in the rear Xmember bushes:


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2 of the blue bushings show bubbles. If there are bubbles there, it would be logical to assume bubbles inside. Air inside means lower control and support, and very poor workmanship.

The Last picture shows the Pedders unit side by side with the blue unit. Notice how much thicker the base is and how much thicker the center support is. There is more technology in our bush than the blue. You really would not see bubbles in a Pedders bush. Plus I believe our center ferrule is thicker metal

mike
dms

 

It is not usually my position to comment on another product,

Oh puhleeze. Eibach springs?

but since the Pedders foes seem to think Noltec is so good and Pedders is so bad, lets take a look at the differences in the rear Xmember bushes:

Overpriced, not bad. $160 for a pair of steel-shelled control arm bushings is borderline criminal. More than one of your competitors seem to be able to make them with steel shells for a price that is very close, if not the same, as your unshelled version.

The Last picture shows the Pedders unit side by side with the blue unit. Notice how much thicker the base is and how much thicker the center support is.

OK. What measurable advantage does the Pedders part have that is directly, and solely, attributable to the thicker base?

Plus I believe our center ferrule is thicker metal

Again...and?? What measurable benefit is there to a thicker ferrule that can only be attributed to it being thicker? Are there mass reports of Noltec bushings suffering damage due to thinner wall ferrules?

 

I hope people see my posts as stating my experiences - no different than other members here. I can clarify the "holes" you mentioned in the Pedders bushes for you.

Those are actually designed into the piece to allow for some movement and thus provide the ride quality we expect; not just "rock hard" handling I've experienced with other brands.

I can tell you that the other companies products have disappointed me in many ways, and many times. However, I still had to be shown the difference (with a Pedders install) before I believed any of what I had heard.

Since then, I have not had reason to question it. Please bear in mind that as an independent dealer, I can sell whatever product I choose; and do sell the Pedders line because of the product quality and support. I'm not a bandwagon jumper type, but I will sell and promote the product lines I see as the best that cause me (the customer) the least problems and best performance.

Thanks,
Bob

 

Hey Bob, sorry for including you in the bandwagon but when you put down other products and push the ones you sell... I respect you and the products you sell. I hope it is not too much to ask for the same in return. Also, none of my statements were directed toward you in my post. Price and quality does go hand in hand but only to an extent.

DMS came off as wanting to show the Pedders are "rock hard" with their thick lower pads. Accusing Noltecs of being thin but the Noltecs have a thin and a thick pad for the top with better support.
Quote from DMS, "Air inside means lower control and support"
I was wondering why DMS said this when the Pedders are loaded with air inside.
Im glad I went with the Noltec's to get my "rock hard handling" thats what I wanted.
What were the differnces you found in ride that made the Pedders so much better to YOU?

Wow, don't know where you are coming from with this.

I'm not sure where you see me twisting things, Pedders is a Great Product, and it comes with Great Support, The Best Warranty in the Business, and we are here to stay. Can you say the same?

The posted asked a question about Pedders and lovels, and you post about Noltec 10 minutes later, not even giving ducky a chance to post.

The design differences are numerous, from the front main washer that is a flat washer on the noltec unit, and a cupped washer (that costs much more, and does a better job).

In addition to that, the ferrule fits inside of the caster washers, and it's a bit of a PITA to get them all in the right place and get it back together again while it's on the alignment rack. The Pedder unit does not require you to hold the washers up behind the subframe and install the ferule all while holding the radius rod from moving. Does it function, yes, is it a poor design, yes.

This thread was turned in to a pissing match by Svede, yourself, and a couple others, not Bob, Not I, and Not Mike.

Questions were asked, Bob and I responded to those questions. It was not us who crossed the line.

I just always see you putting other products down and saying Pedders is the BEST and will always be the BEST. I remember a KW thread where you called KW's decent.

Noltec manufactured Lovell's bushings I believe I had equal rights to post as Andy. If not I am sincerely sorry and would like to know why I didnt have those rights.

You make it sound extremely hard to install the Noltec front radius Rod bushings... You put the crush tube through the bush, put the washers on, then place bushing on car. Were they really that hard for you to install?

Please go and have a look at Mikes post... Are you telling me he was not at all in any small way trying to put Noltec to the floor? Were we even discussing the rear crossmember bushings? Please Rob, dont try turning this on others all of my posts have been in defense. I am going to stand by my product when people try stating they are trash and inferior.

 

The front RR bushings are a pretty basic piece. You have a urethane bushing encapsulated in a metal housing basically. You adjust caster by adjusting the number of washers in front of and behind the bushing.

There is absolutely no advantage to pay 60+ dollars more for the Pedders brand front RR bushing. If you are just buying parts, you are simply supporting over priced products. Now if you feel that the extra money spent is going to gain you the support you might need from a warranty or installation standpoint, then maybe Pedders is a choice. I feel confident that my less expensive parts will stand the test of time. Pedders needs to stop using scare tactics and start getting price competitive.

 

I think if you look at being price competitive, you are comparing apples to oranges. You may buy a brand X part at 80% of the cost of a Pedders part. That's what you are getting - just one part.

Now, buy the Pedders part and you get the support of a lifetime warranty, and if you are having it installed you are covered by the Pedders dealer network as well. Lastly, the Pedders parts are all designed as a complete package to work together.

I can say that I have seen many problems with customers cars that are using mix and match suspension pieces... However, I've not see that problem with a properly designed suspension package all from one company (ie: Pedders).

So I understand your thoughts on one piece, but the problem stems from the fact that eventually you will have to replace the rest of the pieces... And use all different brands that work together about as well as the Democrats and Republicans do.

Bob

 

Now, buy the Pedders part and you get the support of a lifetime warranty,

Since when?

 

<<-- has Noltec crossmember bushes and superpro front and rear RR bushes.
<<-- isn't dead yet.

 

parts are parts,my i like noltec,whiteline&harrop.the reason i do is i have friends that been using them for years on jap imports & euro's cars that they race,and not one has had any prob's with parts breaking at all.so stop with all the bashing on each others products,in start back with the good info i like to read on this forum.u feel me

 

my noltec front radius rod bushing kit took like 20 minute a side which is about the same for all the radius rod kits

 

The solution here is obvious. Eveyone send me a free set of RR bushings and I'll evaluate and post results.

 

I wonder what the hell caused so much deflection with my superpro bushings. I felt it and saw it for myself and it also left me no way to recover my GTO when it got a little lose around a corner which ended up with a new bumper and radiator support
no response when you hit brakes and countersteer=:mrrg:

 

WOW,'
over 10,000 posts! Great job

mike
dms

 

To address the question asked, I just installed Noltec front Radius Rod bushings. I experienced no noticeable increase in noise, vibration, or harshness at all. The install was straight forward as well.

 

NewJerseyBandit,how did u setup the washers on the noltec?

 

So as to not threadjack I sent you a PM.

 

Just installed Lovells last wednesday. car feels tighter when braking and i do not experience any extra vibrationwhile driving. i also installed strut mounts at same time. I guess the only reason i went with lovells with the exception of blue matching car was that the pedders strut mounts were rubber and i wanted poly. Plus the lovells came with new bearings. So i just ordered everything from Kollar racing to save on shipping. From what i have read and people i have talked to, thay are both quality products, and anything is better that what we all started out with. my .02

 

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I love the suspension section.

 

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